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    Nothing Japanese. They are all for show. That's it. I would suggest something along the lines of Wing Chun. It's effective against pretty much all forms of fighting. You just have to watch Wing Chun Legend Ip Man to see that.

    Japanese Martial Arts all have a set form, a set way of moving. Not very effective at all in a street fight, whereas something like Wing Chun is. It's fluid, flexible and effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrid Runa View Post
    Nothing Japanese. They are all for show. That's it. I would suggest something along the lines of Wing Chun. It's effective against pretty much all forms of fighting. You just have to watch Wing Chun Legend Ip Man to see that.

    Japanese Martial Arts all have a set form, a set way of moving. Not very effective at all in a street fight, whereas something like Wing Chun is. It's fluid, flexible and effective.
    Wing Chun is ok for surviving a fight but don't expect knock-out power or it to be any good against multiple attackers. I guess you can use foot work to offset that weakness but I found the style a bit limited. I know a lot of Wing Chun guys who are very good but given the numbers who take it up there should be a lot more. Still useful for beginning as it is quick to learn. Xing Yi is similar to Wing Chun but has more power and some longer range options and take downs.

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    I used to do wing chun kung fu. I went to lessons twice a day 3 days a week when i was 21 for 6 months then gave up. A lot of it stuck though.

    It was invented by buddist nuns.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EO9nDdhx1A
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrid Runa View Post
    Nothing Japanese. They are all for show. That's it. I would suggest something along the lines of Wing Chun. It's effective against pretty much all forms of fighting. You just have to watch Wing Chun Legend Ip Man to see that.

    Japanese Martial Arts all have a set form, a set way of moving. Not very effective at all in a street fight, whereas something like Wing Chun is. It's fluid, flexible and effective.
    Er..ah. kata (set forms) are the primary teaching technique of all martial arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiona View Post
    I used to do wing chun kung fu. I went to lessons twice a day 3 days a week when i was 21 for 6 months then gave up. A lot of it stuck though.

    It was invented by buddist nuns.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EO9nDdhx1A
    I think six months of WC is time well spent as it gives a very practical bass for self defence.
    The problem is at the early stages you learn to move your arms independently of each other or anything else. This helps you make shapes for defence and gives you speed. This can also leave the blows a little under powered. Not a real problem one on one because you can just hit your opponent ten or twenty times. With multiple attackers you lose that option so you have to use it to produce space to escape. This is a good stratagy.
    It would help to have real havy hands though.

    Top level WC guys get heavy hands by training with the wooden man and with Iron palm training. They also use Chi Gong and the weapons training to rebuild the connection between their arms and their core as in the one inch punch. They can get a lot of power that penetrates deeply. As a beginner or intermediate student you will not have power like that.

    I trained in WC for about two years more or less and trained a related style of Southern Kung Fu for about ten years before that, it had similar hand moments and striking so I got a good foundation in Wing Chun but I found it was not really for me. I trained with some grate guys though and met a few famous people in the WC world. Some WC guys are really top fighters and very friendly. I live with a guy for a few mounths who went to the same class as me and we got a lot of Chi Sau practice.

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    Wing Chun is more or less my default mode for defence still.

    One guy I did not get to train with but who everybody who is good respect is Gary Lam, train with him if you can. The guy is the real deal and a proven street fighter, I would learn Wing Chun from him if I could.


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    I did however attend seminars with some grate teachers I have a lot of respect for, Ip Chun, Duncan Leung (very practical fighter) and David Peterson (Well worth training with if your in Australia) to name a few. If living in the UK I would also recommend Alan Gibson and Shaun Rawcliffe for training if you are ever living near their class or classes of their students.

    As for having no forms that is just not true. WC has three unarmed, two weapon forms and the wooden man form. Japanese arts can work its just about the attitude people have to applying them is often very wrong. Its often more the artist than the art when it comes to fighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Er..ah. kata (set forms) are the primary teaching technique of all martial arts.
    I did two forms of Japanese Karate and have my black belt in both. Compared to Chinese martial arts, Japanese is very rigid and very useless in a real fight. It's about showing off, form.
    Wing Chun uses a wooden dummy, and is very effective against most fighting styles.
    But, I want to learn Krav Maga. It's used by the SAS, and effective against ALL fighting styles, including weapons.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgsUAtMuw_M

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrid Runa View Post
    I did two forms of Japanese Karate and have my black belt in both. Compared to Chinese martial arts, Japanese is very rigid and very useless in a real fight. It's about showing off, form.
    Wing Chun uses a wooden dummy, and is very effective against most fighting styles.
    But, I want to learn Krav Maga. It's used by the SAS, and effective against ALL fighting styles, including weapons.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgsUAtMuw_M
    Maybe but Krav is a Jew art developed fighting Germans and then fighting Palestinians. The one thing I like about it is they drill it into peoples thick heads NEVER to go to the ground if you can avoid it.

    The SAS train a lot of different stuff. Systema is far more advanced if your looking for special forces training. Also WT (Mc Wing Chun) is used in Germany for SWAT training.

    Systema


    It also has a good set of gun disarms and knife defence.
    Systema 2


    I agree about training in a fluid system being essential. Thats why I switched to internal martial arts as they are all about flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrid Runa View Post
    I did two forms of Japanese Karate and have my black belt in both. Compared to Chinese martial arts, Japanese is very rigid and very useless in a real fight. It's about showing off, form.
    Wing Chun uses a wooden dummy, and is very effective against most fighting styles.
    But, I want to learn Krav Maga. It's used by the SAS, and effective against ALL fighting styles, including weapons.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgsUAtMuw_M
    Karate is Okinawan, not Japanese.

    Maybe you should practice an authentic ryu, before making such blanket statements in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    The SAS train a lot of different stuff. Systema is far more advanced if your looking for special forces training. Also WT (Mc Wing Chun) is used in Germany for SWAT training.
    My Aikido teacher was invited to teach at a large seminar as few years ago. Two of the leading Systema practitioners were there teaching as well. My teacher spoke very highly of both of them when he came back. Said taking their punches felt like being hit with a sledgehammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    Maybe but Krav is a Jew art developed fighting Germans and then fighting Palestinians. The one thing I like about it is they drill it into peoples thick heads NEVER to go to the ground if you can avoid it.

    The SAS train a lot of different stuff. Systema is far more advanced if your looking for special forces training. Also WT (Mc Wing Chun) is used in Germany for SWAT training.

    Systema


    It also has a good set of gun disarms and knife defence.
    Systema 2


    I agree about training in a fluid system being essential. Thats why I switched to internal martial arts as they are all about flow.

    Okay. It's Jewish, therefore I shouldn't practice it. Yeah. Not happening. I don't care about it's history. If it works, I'm for it.

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