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    Quote Originally Posted by Drömmarnas Stig View Post
    What is your opinion?
    Well i would advise a combination of kickboxing,streetfighting and dirty tricks.....picking up anything that comes in usefull and getting the boot in as often as possible.....then run.
    Its all about aggression and speed,im not going to start laying claim to having done this or that but i have always found the combination of the above three have done me quite well.

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    Against multiple attackers I'd say the best form of self-defence is some kind of striking art. The grappling ones will be less useful as you can only concentrate on one assailant at a time via these means, but I think this must have already been mentioned - I'd be surprised if not!

    One anecdote I'd like to share though is that I was recently talking to a black belt in Judo who I've known since 1976 and he used to be the doorman at a nightclub I went to back then. He's since trained my son to be a Judo black belt (2nd dan) and I asked him about his first reaction if anyone got "in his face". He said he'd punch them!

    When pressed further, he explained that 90% of other Judokas would do exactly the same as this is most people's natural instinct when feeling threatened/angry etc. It also inflicts more instant pain that will discourage the attacker(s) but Judo is a very good "2nd-line" means of self defense if the fight goes to the ground.

    It’s futile to talk about the “most effective” martial art because this ultimately depends on the individual. Karate, Muay Thai, Kickboxing etc. are all effective against the sort of thug who'd attack you in the street and all of them have a component that deals with multiple attackers. From what I gather from my son (who is a KB instructor), this usually involves taking out the first guy within a couple of seconds and, if there are more than 3 of them, just running like hell

    The rest of the "defence against multiple attackers" manual reads like a book on common sense with stuff such as avoiding dark alleys - especially narrow ones where your Kickboxing skills will be negated. Even details about having a crew cut or shaven head (as opposed to long hair, that can easily be grabbed) are useful to know, as is advice on clothing; for example, you can't fight very well in a suit with your jacket flapping around! Perhaps the most important thing though is to know your limits which, as far as women and kids are concerned, means not trying to slug it out with adult males, especially if there are more than one of them - don't even attempt this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    without extras that come along with Asian martial arts however useful they might be outside the context of a fight.
    You see this in all walks of life. What really works is usually the basics, no more. But when people make this their living and main activity in life, boredom sets in and they start to tinker with it, adding all sorts of bells and whistles. Making it more complicated and complex also makes them look more expert.

    When large scale warfare breaks out and these skills are called upon routinely we see a return to the focus on basic skills and fundamentals. And this was precisely the Anglo-American experience in WWII. But as soon as peace broke out, the same old forces were at work again. And today the US Armed forces seem to be training more for a UFC match than for the real deal.

    We can also see the influence of popular culture in this; in the 30s it was judo and jujutsu that formed the basis for military H2H, in the 70s and 80s it was karate, and today it is the BJJ and UFC that seem to set the direction.

    PR professionals and politicians are prone to this too. What really works is to have a short set of talking points and keep repeating them over and over again, day in and day out all year around. But since this makes them bored they start to vary themselves, a little here and a little there, and soon they are no longer on a consistent message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorwolf View Post
    What the hell does NinJitsu have to do with anything? Yes, Autokinimatic fighting Was developed during VeitNam. But what works does not change.

    I find it pretty funny, that you are trying to put me down, with the old info crap. NinJitsu is very old!

    Besides that, I have personaly witnessed a person who was a black belt in NinJItsu get his ass kicked by someone who was a captain of the high school wresteling team.

    Overwhelming agression is the way to win. Blitzkrieg If you will!

    I have more than 21 years of fight training. I do not need you, or anyone else to tell me what works!
    It has every thing to do with what you are saying the system you are pushing is no different in theory (its only the way the teacher teaches that makes it different) to ninjitsu

    I am not trying to put You down

    I am however pointing out that some of the oldest martial arts on the face of the planet have a real grounding with science/logic(not that science existed as we know it back then) in mind

    and that is the idea that is Very old.......

    as for the Black belt......well everyone is different and as i had beaten a number of then before i had even taken up martial arts it proves nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by australia View Post
    Yes I was hoping someone would say Choy Lay Fut because Bruce Lee said Choy Lay Fut was the best style he had seen for multiple attackers. People have said Jeet Kune Do but not Choy Lay Fut which is odd given what Bruce Lee has said.

    According to the book where I read that, Choy Lay Fut is the best style for multiple attackers, and Wing Chun is the best style for one on one. However when I tried out Choy Lay Fut one of the students told me he'd been doing Choy Lay Fut for 6 years and his friend had been doing Wing Chun for 6 years and when they spar/fight the Choy Lay Fut guy always wins. But he also said he's bigger than the Wing Chun guy.

    I'm considering choosing one of the two. Can anyone help me make my decision?
    Well, I've studied both, so I'll give it a shot. Both are good systems. In the old days in Hong Kong, there were lots of fights between the two schools and the results were about even. I'm told that Bruce never actually got the whole system from Yip Man, which may have skewed his opinion somewhat - not just of CLF but of CMA in general - but he went on to embrace Fillipino and Indonesian arts that I've found to have a similar feel to CLF at its higher levels. So if like aggression and extension, and prefer to use offense as defense, go with CLf. As an Aussie, you have the chance to learn from the current "keeper of the style" for CLF or some of the badass Buk Sing schools started by Vince and Dave Lacey. From an artistic standpoint, I prefer the former, but Buk Sing teaches you to fight immediately.

    On the other hand, if you prefer a more scientific, systematic, and restrained, approach to fighting, Wing Chun is your art. I find CLF more adaptable to individual tastes, but that flexibility means you have make certain stylistic choices along the way and integrate each lesson into your own way of fighting. Some people just end up with a mess, others become really nasty fighters who progress from crude aggression (which wins a lot of street fights no matter what technique you study) to effortless technicians.
    One thing I've noticed is that the non-Yip Man lineage schools seem to have preserved some more interesting techniques than those usually seen. I would have no problem recommending some of those.

    If you want to discuss the two in depth, then feel free to PM me. I don't have PM privileges...



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    You have to keep moving in a circle. Try to keep all your opponents in a line in front of you by moving in this circle. this way, they can't all attack you at once. I've been jumped many times and your best bet is to go after the "leader" or toughest ones first. Sometimes if you take on the instigator or leader, his pack will maybe give you a minute fighting him alone. Kind of like deferring to him so he can exhibit what he can do to you. If you drop his ass quick, you might have a chance to run and the rest of group might lose some fight in them

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    Krav Maga (although originating in Israel) is a very effective martial art.
    If you can grab any type of weapon (e.g., stick, pipe, pole, cane), some of the very best martial arts employing such implements are the Filipino martial arts - Arnis,Eskrima and Kali.
    I had a friend in CA where it is all but impossible to carry concealed (meaning a handgun).
    He was a Redneck from Kentucky and he never left the house without a gun on his person or in his truck.
    When he first arrived in LA he went straight to the police station and asked the first policeman he saw about this "problem."
    The officer looked at him straight in the face and told him to go to the local hardware store and purchase a marine emergency flare pistol and a few extra flares for backup. Apparently flare pistols are not illegal to have in your vehicle in CA (perhaps due to its being a coastal state). He promptly did so.
    I myself always had a nice North Carolina hickory axe handle behind my seat (also legal) and I only had to resort to using it once on a scumbag Armenian who tried to pull a gun on me during an incident of "road rage" (him not me).
    How did the altercation end you may ask?
    Let's just say the bloodstains were NEVER going to wash out of his nice fancy shirt.
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    Pardon me if someone has already mentioned these, but I had the privilage of studying Savate and Hapkido from a very early age. In my opinion, the combination of the debilitating strikes from Savate (going for knees, hips, etc) and the quick joint breaking, upright grapples of Hapkido have made a great combination.

    But, more importantly than the intricacies of any one style is your raw aggression level. Attack quickly without a though of retreat, and go for permanent damage. Attack the eyes, joints, claw, use hammer fists - in short, go crazy. It will usually make a inept opponent (see - dumb blacks) quickly rethink if your wallet is worth going blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
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    I assume that you practice the ancient style of Fuckemup ryu.

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