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    Quote Originally Posted by ReinekeFuchs View Post
    You've obviously stated that the reason for your "dynamic journey through time and space" is mortal living. You admire the power of the finite type - i.e. the mortal. Therefore, unfortunately, that's your chosen lot and destiny.

    I believe that the reason for our finite existence is to develop and learn. So that we may achieve a level worthy of permitting infinite harmonious existence. In summary, that's the message and purpose of Scripture, isn't it?
    You're a smart man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Der_Erlkoenig View Post
    Based on what, do you make this claim? As far as I am aware, only the Bible, and other, similar, religious texts mention the Anti-Christ. As such, we must assume (if we believe in a potential Anti-Christ at all) that it should follow the laws set forth in such literature.

    If the Bible is the only source to make the Anti-Christ claim, and the Bible also says that the Anti-Christ will be weaker than God (as Satan is weaker than God) then from where can you possibly derive a different perspective, and still think that it is the Anti-Christ from the Bible?

    The term "Anti-Christ" has been greatly over-used in the last 2000 years. Sure, I believe in Biblical prophecy, but I also realize that so much of Revelation was symbolic that pretty much, no one can really know anything, and I'll leave it at that for now, at least until anything about the subject is knowable, and that may not happen within our lifetime, or 100 lifetimes. We'll see.
    The story of anti-christ is not public information. Theologians know this.
    They have never told the truth because they don't want to waist there efforts on a fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    You're a smart man.
    Of course I'm partial to flattery — just like everyone else — but there's no need at all because it's always a pleasure to help an unrepentant sinner see the error of his ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    The story of anti-christ is not public information. Theologians know this.
    They have never told the truth because they don't want to waist there efforts on a fake.
    The point here is that the AC will be a theologian in political office. As such, he must be a member of a worldly church, right? 'Cause Jesus sure isn't going to endorse him. He'll be admired by the multitudes, even. Doesn't it make sense then when scripture says that that path to salvation [eternal life] is narrow and the path to damnation is wide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReinekeFuchs View Post
    The point here is that the AC will be a theologian in political office. As such, he must be a member of a worldly church, right? 'Cause Jesus sure isn't going to endorse him. He'll be admired by the multitudes, even. Doesn't it make sense then when scripture says that that path to salvation [eternal life] is narrow and the path to damnation is wide?
    He won't be a theologian. They ( the theologian) knows what has been given to them as knowledge to study and seek him out, , a story. Every human has a story , not all have such a high profile story like AC. But nevertheless ....It's all about drama.. really. The movement of events. The Theologian does not know the bigger picture.
    Sorry to inform you ... You're God , even if existing , would have to be a bully and liar... because the soul of the human is no different that the soul of a god. Do you really believe that God created you for testing? If so than are you not apart of God himself? If so than God created all souls of himself.
    And if so god judges himself. It is silly to think a god , an all-powerful being or soul, can create countless individuals who are never two of alike and judge them as worthy. If the soul of the mortal is to be judged it must be by a righteous assembly not a single creator.
    AC would be a member of that assembly or an agent thereof...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    He won't be a theologian. They ( the theologian) knows what has been given to them as knowledge to study and seek him out, , a story.
    There are many theologians with a myriad of personal convictions and opinions. There are also a a great variety of faiths within christianity as well as other religions — many of which lie outside the judeo-christian philosophy — and therefore don't focus on the AC as a central theme or contain him at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    Every human has a story , not all have such a high profile story like AC. But nevertheless ....It's all about drama.. really. The movement of events. The Theologian does not know the bigger picture.
    How could he (the theologian)? He's an imperfect human with imperfect desires. His story is imperfect, i.e. without harmony. Basic Freudian psychology will testify to that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    Sorry to inform you ... You're God , even if existing , would have to be a bully and liar... because the soul of the human is no different that the soul of a god.
    He would by nature have to be different. Because he created a perfect cosmos. A finely tuned biological, interplanetary symphony, if you will. This biological balance has only been seriously attacked worldwide within the last 60 years by science a la Monsanto. Why do you think the [far sighted] Norwegian government has found it necessary to establish the 'Doomsday Seedbank' in a bunker on Spitzbergen? Because humans corporations are assuming the role of God by PATENTING plant and animal life forms!
    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    Do you really believe that God created you for testing?
    Of course not! THAT is the silliest notion I've ever heard!
    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    If so than are you not apart of God himself?
    We're created in His image.
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    If so than God created all souls of himself.
    You've got it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    And if so god judges himself. It is silly to think a god , an all-powerful being or soul, can create countless individuals who are never two of alike and judge them as worthy.
    The criteria isn't whether you are like God but rather whether you're humble like Him and therefore are able to love Him. Because God's adversary is arrogance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    If the soul of the mortal is to be judged it must be by a righteous assembly not a single creator.
    You have to accept that He who wields absolute creative power has the right to the last word in these matters. Maybe you prefer a tribunal, i.e. an assembly. I believe tyo a degree such an assembly has been summoned to a degree in order to accomodate your wishes: The 12 apostles who will rule with Christ. This is all very clearly explained in scripture.
    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    AC would be a member of that assembly or an agent thereof...
    He has the power to take you with him — to a finite existence and permanent nonexistence. Also called death. There is a choice.
    Many modern scientists (especially astronomers, chemists and biologists) have claimed that, based on science, they feel compelled to believe in the judeo-christian God and Christ.
    Food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReinekeFuchs View Post
    There are many theologians with a myriad of personal convictions and opinions. There are also a a great variety of faiths within christianity as well as other religions — many of which lie outside the judeo-christian philosophy — and therefore don't focus on the AC as a central theme or contain him at all.

    How could he (the theologian)? He's an imperfect human with imperfect desires. His story is imperfect, i.e. without harmony. Basic Freudian psychology will testify to that.

    He would by nature have to be different. Because he created a perfect cosmos. A finely tuned biological, interplanetary symphony, if you will. This biological balance has only been seriously attacked worldwide within the last 60 years by science a la Monsanto. Why do you think the [far sighted] Norwegian government has found it necessary to establish the 'Doomsday Seedbank' in a bunker on Spitzbergen? Because humans corporations are assuming the role of God by PATENTING plant and animal life forms!

    Of course not! THAT is the silliest notion I've ever heard!

    We're created in His image.

    You've got it.

    The criteria isn't whether you are like God but rather whether you're humble like Him and therefore are able to love Him. Because God's adversary is arrogance.

    You have to accept that He who wields absolute creative power has the right to the last word in these matters. Maybe you prefer a tribunal, i.e. an assembly. I believe tyo a degree such an assembly has been summoned to a degree in order to accomodate your wishes: The 12 apostles who will rule with Christ. This is all very clearly explained in scripture.

    He has the power to take you with him — to a finite existence and permanent nonexistence. Also called death. There is a choice.
    Many modern scientists (especially astronomers, chemists and biologists) have claimed that, based on science, they feel compelled to believe in the judeo-christian God and Christ.
    Food for thought.
    Like all good Christians... you have a noble sense of morality and are endowed with a strong sense of duty in faith. More power to you.

    But You miss the whole point... If god created than his signature is you. Therefore he judges his own works.... Not what is YOU!

    Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    Like all good Christians... you have a noble sense of morality and are endowed with a strong sense of duty in faith. More power to you.
    Thank you kindly, sir.
    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    But You miss the whole point... If god created than his signature is you. Therefore he judges his own works.... Not what is YOU!
    Peace
    Here you're confusing me somewhat, Segestan. I see it as God created in his image. With his signature, if you will. This image and signature was at some point, to some degree polluted. Meaning: God is forced to judge his own works which have been corrupted by a third party to deviate from natural harmony. If you closely analyze the Roman Catholic faith and the views of the 16th century physician Paracelus (aka Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim) regarding it and the nobles — as well as the intellectuals of the time — , you will [in my opinion] find that I'm at least not completely off the mark. At the same time I do not profess to be a theologian, but simply seek to decode the writing on the wall.
    Although it's essentially the same substance matter, this material by Herbert W. Armstrong may be of interest to you or others on the topic:
    http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?...k&q=1194.6.0.0
    http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?...k&q=1194.6.0.4

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