View Poll Results: Is Morton Berger's 200-year sentence for child pornography justified?

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  • Absolutely! If anything, they took it easy on the dirty cur!

    20 40.00%
  • 200 years seems a little long. Surely 100 would have been enough.

    10 20.00%
  • He's a bad man, but not that bad. A single ten-year sentence would be better.

    13 26.00%
  • No way! Child pornography shouldn't be illegal anyway!

    7 14.00%
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Thread: 200 Years in Prison for Possessing Child Pornography?

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    This is one crime I will never understand. How anyone could molest a child is beyond me. They must be truly sick, or just plain evil individuals for them to to even think of doing such a horrible thing.

    I can't think of a punishment too severe for these vile creatures.

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    Prison

    I read a short explanation of the type of porn pictures, which involved children, adults and animal scenes in the photos. He deserves 5-10 years in prison for supporting sexually exploitative materials of unknown origin, but sex offenders who cause actual physical damage do not even get these lengthy sentences, more likely 3-12 years for solid convictions. He deserves to be fired from his teacher job too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayreuther View Post
    I read a short explanation of the type of porn pictures, which involved children, adults and animal scenes in the photos. He deserves 5-10 years in prison for supporting sexually exploitative materials of unknown origin, but sex offenders who cause actual physical damage do not even get these lengthy sentences, more likely 3-12 years for solid convictions. He deserves to be fired from his teacher job too.
    Indeed. I'm not in favor of prison sentences anyway.
    I support as punishments:
    - Restitution
    - Corporal Beating
    - Forced Labour
    - Banishment
    - Executions (as last resort)

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    I would give 3-4 year for the downloaders, 10 years for the dealers and capital punishment for the makers.


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    This is a bit difficult. I do think the possession of child pornography should be illegal, but there is the problem, that there are ways to hack the computer of somebody and put child pornography on their computer and the person knows nothing about it. Of course, these people are innocent and shouldn't be punished. However, people who have millions of child porn images on their computer are not very likely to have them by accident. They should be punished.

    I personally am of the opinion that the punishment for possessing child pornography should depend on what is visible on the images. If someone has photographs or videos of actual rapes of children, I would punish that way more harshly than if someone just possesses pictures of "modeling" or "posing" children who are naked but aren't touched or raped or something. I would make the punishment dependant on what actual harm to children is visible on the pictures.

    Pornography that includes actual rape should be illegal anyway, also if it contains only adults and no children.

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    200 years is quite a lot for a pervert who hasn't touched anyone.

    In most Western European countries, possession of child pornography usually only leads to a suspended sentence of several months. That's the other extreme. One of my friends in Europe was told once by a policeman that "being a right-winger is worse than child pornography." That's what one gets if cops are lectured about the dangers of "right-wing extremism" by antifascist organizations.

    Anyway, this might be the wrong topic to raise the issue, but it's in general not a good idea to criminalize the possession of anything. Not the possession of drugs or weapons either. Possession is not an act. If you leave your computer unattended and someone sneaks to it and copies a few related images to your device from his USB drive, then you are possessing child pornography. The same applies if you click on an unknown link and a related image gets displayed. It could even be invisibly hidden. Your browser will write it to disk, though, and from then on you are possessing child pornography.

    Possession is simply a fact. Surely, you could argue that you are lacking the will to possess it, but good luck to you with this argument at court. Typically, your will to possess your computer or cell phone implicitly includes everything that's stored on it. Because possession is not an act, no statute of limitation can be employed either.

    These laws thus need to be reworded. They are arguably facially unconstitutional, in fact. What should be outlawed is the act of premeditatedly buying, obtaining, acquiring or knowingly accepting such material for erotic or sexual purposes.
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