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    Matriarchal Societies in Pre-Celtic Europe

    Aloysha; "I find your connection between matriarchial pre-Celtic European culture and 'collectivism' irrelevant".

    Moody; There is an undoubted nexus between what we might call 'feminine' ideals and positions such as matriarchy, feminism, pacifism, liberalism, egalitarianism and collectivism.
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    Explain the Mary Cult in terms of Aryan patriarchy then
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    Explain the Mary Cult in terms of Aryan patriarchy then
    My immediate impression is that the 'Mary-cult' is derived from the residue of Mediterranean pagan Goddess worship. There are many images of the 'mother and child' from pre-Christian pagan cultures to suggest that this influence was profound and direct.

    More distantly, such cults are ultimately due to the matriarchal sub-stratum of Old Europe which persisted and was indeed enmeshed with Aryan patriarchism.

    As I have had to stress in many recent posts - Europe did not begin with the Aryan migrations there; indeed, the pre-Celtic culture had been there LONGER than the Aryan has since its arrival.
    So Europe is a SYNTHESIS culturally - the ancient Greeks make this obvious.

    Link cf., Robert Graves's 'The White Goddess';
    http://www.etymonline.com/columns/graves.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    My immediate impression is that the 'Mary-cult' is derived from the residue of Mediterranean pagan Goddess worship. There are many images of the 'mother and child' from pre-Christian pagan cultures to suggest that this influence was profound and direct.

    More distantly, such cults are ultimately due to the matriarchal sub-stratum of Old Europe which persisted and was indeed enmeshed with Aryan patriarchism.

    As I have had to stress in many recent posts - Europe did not begin with the Aryan migrations there; indeed, the pre-Celtic culture had been there LONGER than the Aryan has since its arrival.
    So Europe is a SYNTHESIS culturally - the ancient Greeks make this obvious.
    I agree on Europe as a synthesis Furthermore, I've got no problem with pagan Goddess worship, but an iron-guard element (patriarchy?) also needs to be combined with this so it becomes effective. I've begun to believe recently a ressurection of paganism could be an excellent thing - but not so much a ressurection, as in 'back to Thorburn!' but something genuine. It's about time for another myth to come into existance...
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    And didn't Rosenberg call his book 'The Myth of the Twentieth Century'?
    Meaning that Aryan Blood was the mythos of that century; it was the mythos on which National Socialism stands.

    However, this mythos MUST have the Leader element.

    The Leader is he who is to save this Aryan Blood - he is the Wagnerian hero made flesh.

    The Aryan race doth pledge its allegience to this hero to deliver them once more from the impure machinations of the Jew - the blood-defiler par excellence.

    But then, this particularly Germanic mythos met its Ragnarok - no doubt it will rise again.

    In the meantime, perhaps the mythos of this century will be British, Celtic, rather than Germanic.
    Instead of the Leader, the Round Table shall return.
    Europe as a whole, each nation represented by its own Knight will sit at the Round-Table and make Europa once more.

    This mythos made flesh sees Europe, having been so dismembered in the past, now reconstitute herself under an equipe of Knights.

    Europa is the Mythos of the 21st century, and Stonehenge shall once again become the Druidic centre of Europe.
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    Thumbs Up A Racial Diagram for every Society

    FORMS OF HUMAN SOCIETY

    COUPLE (Male & Female)

    FAMILY (Couple & child or children)

    PATRIARCHIC FAMILY or PATRIA (Family & child's or childrens' family/families)

    RACE (Group of Patriarchic families)

    NATION (Conscious Race)

    HUMANITY (Human Species{all races})


    FORMS OF ORGANISATION (SOCIETY)

    HOUSE (Couple)

    HOUSEHOLD/HOUSE GROUP (Family)

    COMMUNITY (Patriarchic Family)

    RACIAL STATE (Race)

    NATIONAL STATE (Nation)

    SOCIETY OF STATES (Humankind)


    FORMS OF SOCIETY PLACEMENT

    HOME AND SETTING (Couple)

    HOME AND SETTING (Family)

    DISTRICT AND SETTING (Patriarchich Family)

    FATHERLAND AND LEBENSRAUM (Race)

    FATHERLAND AND LEBENSRAUM (Nation)

    EARTH (Mankind)


    SOCIETY'S COMISSION OF AUTHORITY

    MAN (Couple)

    FATHER (Family)

    GRANDFATHER (Patriarchic Family)

    MINORITY (Race)

    MINORITY (Nation)

    MOST POWERFUL NATION (Society of Nations)


    SOURCE OF POWER FOR THE COMISSIONERS OF AUTHORITY

    PSYCHOSOMATIC POWER (Man)

    PSYCHOSOMATIC POWER (Father)

    SPIRITUAL POWER (Grandfather)

    IDEALISM AND ABILITY (Chosen Minority)

    MATERIAL POWER (Minority)

    CULTURAL AND MATERIAL SUPREMACY (Most powerful state)


    CRITERIA AND DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN RACES

    ABILITY TO CREATE CIVILISATION AND TECHNOLOGY (Superior)

    ABILITY TO ADAPT TO CIVILISATION (Medium)

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    Post Matriarchy and Patriarchy in Northern and Southern Europe today

    What do you think is the system that seems to operate in Northern and Southern Europe, or even in Western or Eastern Europe.

    I have the impression that in Northern Europe matriarchy is more real than in Southern Europe, in countries like Italy and Greece. Maybe this is because of the cold climate in Northern Europe, where males had to live close to the mother to stay warm, while in Southern Europe they could go out more often and do other things away from their women

    What do you think?

    Are Northern European societies more "feminine" than Southern European?

    For example, there are many women in politics in Sweden something like 50% i believe, but that is not the case for Southern Europe. I believe the societies of Southern Europe are less materialistic and more Patriarchal still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenic Eagle
    What do you think is the system that seems to operate in Northern and Southern Europe, or even in Western or Eastern Europe.

    I have the impression that in Northern Europe matriarchy is more real than in Southern Europe, in countries like Italy and Greece. Maybe this is because of the cold climate in Northern Europe, where males had to live close to the mother to stay warm, while in Southern Europe they could go out more often and do other things away from their women

    What do you think?

    Are Northern European societies more "feminine" than Southern European?

    For example, there are many women in politics in Sweden something like 50% i believe, but that is not the case for Southern Europe. I believe the societies of Southern Europe are less materialistic and more Patriarchal still.

    It depends upon what sphere of influence you are talking about.
    I get the impression that there is traditionally more matriarchy in southern and eastern Europe as far as the family is concerned.
    Of course, this is in the sense of the woman having a realm of power and influence which is all her own within the family.
    Outside of the family, patriarchy seems to be the rule in the afore-mentioned regions.
    Essentially, the male and female have traditonally assigned roles where they exert dominance in them respectively.
    Logically, the all-important realm of the family AT HOME is that of the female, with the male as the bread-winner.

    In the north-western European society we have seen the rise of feminism, which has had the effect of masculinisation of the female and the feminisation of the male.
    So the overall effect is that of a feminisation; but I don't know that that is the same as a 'matriarchy'.
    This feminisation always runs along side a Liberalism [cf., Sweden etc.,]

    So here, the sharply contrasted roles of matriarch/patriarch are blurred.
    Likewise, the family itself is diminshed.
    This equalised/feminised society is now influencing the south and east.
    Low birth-rates in places like Italy show that all is not well.
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    I think that both of you are correct. From the little I have observed I came to the conclusion that Traditional Gender Roles are more prevalent in Southern Europe than in the supposedly "Progressivist" North which has a greater degree of Liberalism and stronger currents of Feminism to their misfortune. The South is both more matriarchal and patriarchal in the sense that the Traditional Gender Roles are stronger, but this is rapidly degenerating due to the further infusion of Liberal/Feminist/"Progressivist" ideas into Southern European Societies which I notice from my own Society which is probably one of the most Conservative in Europe in most fields.

    Factors such as the cost of living and raising a family also force women to seek employment due to materialistic necessities, since the male cannot provide for everything. Also with the pretense of wanting to develop their individuality women with a certain level of education seek careers, and in general these types of women are coupled with men that can provide for the family as being themselves professionals and educated individuals, with quite a good income.

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    Recent research in Britain showed that less and less women are having children, a trend that will have disasterous demographic results by as soon as 2040.
    The report said that having child was viewed by more and more women as being 'irrational'!
    The low birth rates in Western Europe [I think Ireland is the only exception], plus the longer life-expectancy means an unprecedented demographic shift.
    On the basis of this, today's politicians argue for increased immigration.

    Whatever, feminism, consumerism, liberalism/libertarianism etc., are all deadly enemies of the Folk. The tried and tested structure of the Family cannot be dispensed with by racialists, as race means - in the most primal sense - having babies!

    Once again, in order turn this around, a strong Racial State will have to intervene.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
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