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    Question Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President

    This is an article a friend e-mailed me last night. It's from an online magazine called "DiversityInc". It perpetuates the myth that a least 5 US Presidents were part "Black". These rumors have been circulating for at least 40 years, since Joel A. Rogers, A Jamiacan Mulatto & Afrocentrist historian, wrote a book called "Five Black Presidents". Rogers also wrote books proving that the Irish & Vikings were "Black". ( Don't get mad, I know Rogers was full of s***.)

    You've seen the headlines: "Are Americans Ready for a Black President?" "Is Obama Black Enough?" "Obama: America's First Black President?"

    Ever since the nation first met Illinios Sen. Barack Obama in 2004, his race has been called into question more times than Michael Jackson's. Obama is clearly a black man, but is this really a breakthrough? Some blacks say Obama isn't "black enough," which seems ironic because for many blacks, former President Bill Clinton was "black enough." In 2001, Clinton was honored as the nation's "first black president" at the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) Annual Dinner in Washington, D.C.

    Were there other "black" presidents? Some historians have reason to believe people dont' really understand the genealogy of past U.S. presidents. Research shows at least five U.S. presidents had black ancestors and Thomas Jefferson, the nation's third president, was considered the first black president, according to historian Leroy Vaughn, author of "Black People and Their Place in World History".

    Vaughn's research shows Jefferson was not the only former black U.S. president. Who were the others? Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge. But why was this unknown? How were they elected predident? All five of these presidents never acknowledge their black ancestry.

    Jefferson, who served two terms between 1801 and 1809, was described as the "son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father," as stated in Vaughn's findings. Jefferson also was said to have destroyed all documentation attached to his mother, even going to extremes to seize letters written by his mother to other people.
    Jefferson's father was White. They were not among the leading families of Virginia, but they held property & left wills & other familiy records. They were never described as Negroes or Mulattoes nor were they ever owned by anyone. Jefferson's mother was Jane Randolph. She was a member of one more important families of colonial Virginia, part of the Tidewater aristocracy. None of these families were half-breeds, though some might claim Pocahontas as a ancestress from several generations earlier.

    President Andrew Jackson, the nation's seventh president, was in office between 1829 and 1837. Vaughn cites an article written in the Virginia Magazine of History that Jackson was the son of an Irish woman who married a black man. The magazine also stated that Jackson's oldest brother had been sold as a slave.
    President Jackson was the son of Andrew Jackson & Elizabeth Hutchinson of Carrickfergus, County Antrim, Ireland. They came to America in 1765, settling in a backwoods settlement on the border of North Carolina & South Carolina. The elder Jackson died a few months before the birth of his youngest son, also named Andrew. I don't know how this rumor was started. Maybe some people just assume because of the name "Jackson".

    Lincoln, the nations 16th president, served between 1861 and 1865. Lincoln was said to have been the illegitimate son of an African man, according to Leroy's findings. Lincoln had very dark skin and coarse hair and his mother alledgedly came from an Ethiopian tribe. His heritage fueled so much controversy that Lincoln was nicknamed "Abraham Africanus the First" by his opponents.
    Lincoln's heritage was English. His mother, Nancy Hanks, was the youngest child of Luke & Ann (Nancy) Hanks, who came from Pennsylvania to Virginia & eventually Kentucky. Nancy was born in Hampshire Co., Virginia in 1784. The elder Hanks died while Nancy was still a child & she became the ward of her eldest brother Joseph Hanks. In 1801, Nancy gave birth out of wedlock to a son named Dennis Hanks. In 1806 Nancy married Thomas Lincoln. They had a daughter named Sarah, born in 1807 & Abraham, born Feb. 12, 1809. Dennis Hanks came to live with Lincolns when he was old enough to be of use as a laborer for his stepfather. He was described as Nancy Hanks Lincoln's "cousin". This is probably the source of rumors of Abraham Lincoln not being the son of Abraham. There are many untrue stories about Lincoln's "true parentage. The "cousin lie" also contributed to confusion about Nancy Lincoln's heritage, because as Dennis Hanks's "cousin" this caused many Lincoln researchers to assume that Nancy Lincoln had an aunt the same age as she with the same name & the NHL was an illegitimate grandchild of Luke & Ann Hanks, leaving her paternity in question.

    President Warren Harding, the 29th president, in office between 1921 & 1923, apparently never denied his ancestry. According to Vaughn, William Chancellore, a proffesor of economics and politics at Wooster College in Ohio, wrote a book on the Harding family genealogy. Evidently, Harding had black ancestors between both sets of parents. Chancellore also said that Harding attended Iberia College.
    Harding's genealogy doesn't show Negro ancestry. And no man freely admitting Negro ancestors would have been elected in 1920. Remember, the KKK was politically important in the 20's. Ohio Central College in Iberia, Ohio, which Harding attended was never a "Black" college, though it had Black students.

    Coolidge, the nation's 30th president, served between 1923 and 1929 and was supposely proud of his heritage. He claimed his mother was dark because of mixed Indian ancestry. Coolidge's mother's maiden name was "Moor" and in Europe the name "Moor" was given to all blacks just as "Negro" was used in America. It was later concluded that Coolidge was part black.
    How can you argue with this logic. I always thought Moor or Moore had something to do with "moors" those barren upland regions in Britain.

    The only difference between Obama and these former presidents is that Obama and these former presidents is that none of their family histories were fully acknowledge by others. Even though Obama is half-white, he strongely resembles his Kenyan father. And not only is Obama open about his ancestry, most people acknowledge him as a black man, which is why people will identitfy Obama, if elected, as the first black president of the United States.
    "Obama is open about his ancestry". I don't think he could fool anybody into thinking he was anything other than a Mulatto.

    Actually, some Afrocentrist "historians" claim there was a 6th black president, Dwight D. Eisenhower. That claim is just as ridicules as the ones above.
    Last edited by Madoc; Tuesday, February 20th, 2007 at 09:00 PM. Reason: Spelling as usual.

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    Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President

    That's interesting, to say the least. I've also heard that Obama wouldn't be "black enough" to be called the first black president.

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    Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President

    Coolidge's mother's maiden name was "Moor" and in Europe the name "Moor" was given to all blacks just as "Negro" was used in America. It was later concluded that Coolidge was part black.
    Even if his name was after the African Moors, what I doubt, Moors were not negroids. The Moors, who invaded parts of Spain and Italy during the Middle Ages, were the Berbers of the Atlas mountains and from the Rif. These Berbers differing from the rest of North Africans have very little Sub-Saharan mixture nowadays (if any).

    Example of depiction of Almohad "Moors":


    The turbaned ones

    Sorry for the off-topic

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    Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President

    Quote Originally Posted by Madoc View Post
    How can you argue with this logic. I always thought Moor or Moore had something to do with "moors" those barren upland regions in Britain.
    Coolidge black?! What a riot.

    He doesn't even look Indian in the slightest either.

    I'm not sure of his mother's heritage but the surname Moore is still very common around here (Coolidge was from Plymouth, VT which is about 50 miles south of my area). In fact, when I rented a place for a couple years down in Sharon, VT, I lived on Moore Rd.

    I quick scan through the local white pages (no pun intended!) shows only one family with the surname Moor but three columns of Moores....

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    Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President

    Looking up "Moor" or "Moore" it seemed to be related more to living in or near a marsh, rarely having anything to do with Moors.

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    Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President

    What I'd like to see is what kind of hardcore evidence these people were looking at to even consider these presidents mullatos or half-breeds. It may have to do with attitude and the possibility that these presidents didn't act "white enough" and more "black". Who is to say how Europids acted back then and how the negroes acted back then. The information just doesn't seem credible to me. Plus, even if their DNA was somehow extracted and studied pro-racial groups would more than likely pay off scientists to make the DNA "mixed" to their liking.

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    Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President

    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosLord View Post
    What I'd like to see is what kind of hardcore evidence these people were looking at to even consider these presidents mullatos or half-breeds. It may have to do with attitude and the possibility that these presidents didn't act "white enough" and more "black". Who is to say how Europids acted back then and how the negroes acted back then. The information just doesn't seem credible to me. Plus, even if their DNA was somehow extracted and studied pro-racial groups would more than likely pay off scientists to make the DNA "mixed" to their liking.
    They are just grabbing for straws, they munipulate the facts just like everyone else. It used to be the winners wrote history. The U.S. is trying to change that, the bleeding hearts are trying to let the losers write their own history, which disregards fact for myth.

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    Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President

    I think it's just junk research on the part of Afrocentrist historians. For example the Moor/Moore surname = Moor = Negro. Anyone described as black or dark must be a Negro. Also, anyone historically important born on the continent of Africa is Black according to Afrocentrists. This is why Egypt is considered a Negro civilization (by Afrocentrists). Lastly, I think much of Afrocentrist history is just plain lies created by delusional Black historians.

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