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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Padanian nordicists/"nationalists".
    Sorry, but it's your misconception. "Padanians" (i'm not sure about the term padania but i use it) promote a model of alternative identity for northern italy : a model nearer to continental/central Europe. Of course they don't compare northern Italy with Scandinavia or other. Simply they tend to associate north-italy with its nearest neighbours : France on the west, Switzerland on the centre and Austria/Slovenia on the east. ALL those nations are confinant with northern italy, so the comparison has sense. Don't you think ?

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    A river doesn't become red from pouring some red paint into it. Hungary is a similar case, some Hungarian nationalists pride themselves on the historic Germanic invasions in despite of them being rather insignificant.

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    Much of the influence is genetic...

    The opening post in this thread contained pictures of six models who appear to be more Nordic than not. They are purportedly from the south of Italy. Unless the pictures are misleading or their features are the result of genetic mutation, the women are of at least partial Nordic descent.

    I'm uncertain what Dagna's point is. Is the point just that there is not as much Nordic blood in northern Italy as people think? Or are you trying to say that the Nordic blood has been bred out to the point of irrelevance, and that the Germanic influence on Italy is not genealogical?

    I can see by those six ladies and by all those blond haired, blue-eyed Italians I've seen on television that Nordic blood appears to be alive and well in Italy. Maybe there is not enough to include northern Italy in a Nordic conglomerate with Scandanavia, UK, Holland, and the Deutsche countries, but there seems to be enough to separate Italy from Iberia, Greece, Balkans, etc.

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    Anthropologic situation of Italy

    The vision, which some participants have about the anthropologic situation of Italy, seems to me mostly based on preconceptions. The first thing to clarify is that: after the World War II, many southerns climbed to the North for work in the industries and this has significantly altered the human landscape. Before that date, the presence of individuals with black hairs was a real rarity and the most widespread colour was the brown in all its shades from dark brown to dark blond. Generally the complexions were rosy and the very darker eyes were hazel. In any case, also the South has strong presence of clear people, but this ascertainment does not lessen the problems of those regions, because the Mafia boss Toto Riina in his youth photos appears a blonde man with blue eyes.

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    Having lived in the Italy for a number of years, I have not noticed dramatic physical sifferences between northern and southern Italians. On average, there certainly are *some* differences, but these are less marked than those between Germans and northern Italians, for example. Italy is basically a dinaric-mediterrenean land, with alpinid and nordid minorities. The nordid being much smaller than the alpinid.

    I strongly disagree with the idea that South Tyrol is not majority German. This is blatantly untrue, given that around 70% of the population are native German speakers, and outside Bolzano that number rises to 90% and above. After WW1 Mussolini tried (and failed) to Italianise the region by bringing in immigrants from the South, but many of these ended up moving away after a period, or remained in urban areas like Bolzano. And the Germans who were forcibly relocated by the Nazis went back to South Tyrol after WW2, increasing the German population.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I don't believe the intention was to mock Bocelli or any of the dark Northern Italians. Not mine at least. He is a dark, non-Northern type from Northern Italy, along with other people. It is not a crime to be dark or Italian and he is a musical genious, I agree.
    But I believe it is unfair to claim a Romanic region is Germanic and to further North Italian Nordicist agendas by insulting the Italian South. The ethnic background of the webmaster of Racial Reality is irrelevant to me, I have only presented some pictures and quotes by Coon from his site, not his theories.

    I believe you are also missing the point about Northern Italians being swarthy, if that is the agenda of the webmaster very well, he is wrong, but it is not the point of this thread. The point is that there are quite a few dark types in Northern Italy just as there are light in Southern Italy. I don't believe either the North or South Italians are predominantly "swarthy".

    I agree 100%. I think there is a lot of cultural conflict between north and south Italians that has absolutely no relevance to ethnicity, although the northerners would like to think so.

    In my opinion, Italians are like Croats or Hungarians: very much part of the Aryan-Germanic cultural sphere, but not part of the actual Germanic race, of course. I recall Hitler saying that if he hadn't entered politics, he would like to have travelled throughout Italy as an unknown artist. This means he was comfortable with that nation.

    As a footnote, it annoys me in the extreme to see all these Germans come here and making a big deal out of their nordicism. A LOT of Germans look like Egon Krenz, especially in the eastern regions and Austria, so don't come here to boast of your pure nordicism because I just don't buy it. European nations are made up of differerent strains of Aryan races, the nordics making up only one part of these. Germans do have a strong nordic strain, though not as strong as the Scandinavians, but they also have alpinid and and dinarid strains as well. These cannot be pushed to one side. The key thing here is avoid being 'nordid centric', unless you want to preach to a small minority, even of white people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tancred View Post
    As a footnote, it annoys me in the extreme to see all these Germans come here and making a big deal out of their nordicism. A LOT of Germans look like Egon Krenz, especially in the eastern regions and Austria, so don't come here to boast of your pure nordicism because I just don't buy it. European nations are made up of differerent strains of Aryan races, the nordics making up only one part of these. Germans do have a strong nordic strain, though not as strong as the Scandinavians, but they also have alpinid and and dinarid strains as well. These cannot be pushed to one side. The key thing here is avoid being 'nordid centric', unless you want to preach to a small minority, even of white people.
    Please quote the statements you are referring to, I have no idea and I can't be expected to guess. And how exactly are Aryans and white people relevant here?

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    @ Tancred, how can you make such a hasty blanket statement? Not all these Germans here are Nordicists. I am not a Nordicist, but we must acknowledge the importance of the Nordic race within the Germanic spectrum. The Germanics were originally Nordic. I don't think any German here said our Alpinid or Dinarid countrymen should be pushed aside though! To me they're just as valuable as the Nordic Germans. A Nordic German has more in common with an Alpine German than with a Nordic Russian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    @ Tancred, how can you make such a hasty blanket statement? Not all these Germans here are Nordicists. I am not a Nordicist, but we must acknowledge the importance of the Nordic race within the Germanic spectrum. The Germanics were originally Nordic. I don't think any German here said our Alpinid or Dinarid countrymen should be pushed aside though! To me they're just as valuable as the Nordic Germans. A Nordic German has more in common with an Alpine German than with a Nordic Russian.
    True, but I detect a fixation, on the part of some posters, with nordicism. I'm not saying it's bad to celebrate this subracial strain, but not to the extent of excluding other white strains. That was all I was trying to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tancred View Post
    True, but I detect a fixation, on the part of some posters, with nordicism. I'm not saying it's bad to celebrate this subracial strain, but not to the extent of excluding other white strains. That was all I was trying to say.
    Excluding other "white" strains? Given the extent of Arab, Semitic, and Negroid settlement in Mediterranean nations over the past millenia, the people in question hardly qualify as "white", whatever your definition of the word may be. I find it highly amusing when white nationalists, pan-Europeanists, neo-fascists, or any of the other flotsam and jetsam of modern racialist movements assert that Italians, Spaniards, and Portuguese hail from a comparable or equal genetic stock as their Northern counterparts; that is, they somehow have a claim to co-habit, and indeed fight, alongside us towards some common goal. At that point, inevitably out comes the pictures of Nordic-looking Latins, to "refute" the idea that these people are somehow of predominantly non-European origins, when, in reality, the subject is merely lucky enough to have a phenotype resulting from a rare re-emergence of the genetic material of some distant Norman or Visigoth back in the family tree. On the same note, there are true-to-defintion mulattoes out there with blue eyes, but that doesn't mean they are white, or not injurious to peoples who have remained un-mixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist View Post
    At that point, inevitably out comes the pictures of Nordic-looking Latins, to "refute" the idea that these people are somehow of predominantly non-European origins,
    1) Do you seriously believe that? Where is the evidence?

    2) Where do the Southern French relate in your estimation, with regard to the Spanish, Portuguese and Italians?

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