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Thread: Is Ethnicity a Social Construct? / Ethnicity: Biological, Social or Both?

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    Is Ethnicity a Social Construct? / Ethnicity: Biological, Social or Both?

    Is ethnicity a social construct? The view is prevalent among students and professors of the social sciences, but many nationalists approach ethnicity in a more primordial, biological way. What do you think?

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    Re: Is ethnicity a social construct?

    No. Although the concept of ethnicity has been deconstructed by marxists and liberals over the last 100 years or so, ethnicity as it once were, and to some extent still is today, is certainly no social construction. It is the product of a people's evolution, a folk. A folk's ethnicity can of course be influenced by historical occurrences and decisions made by kings and rulers, but its foundation is biological. For example the south of Sweden was once danish, but the people who lived there were incorporated into the Swedish kingdom as we conquered those lands. This Swedification was not a biological occurrence, it was a historical development, but at the same time a folk's ethnicity goes beyond the concept of nationality, it is a symbiosis of many different parts, culture, history, race, lineage, behaviour, thinking, language, religion etc. That is why a negro can never become a Swede or a Dane no matter what his passport says.

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    Re: Is ethnicity a social construct?

    I've always thought of ethnicity as being at least partially based on blood. There are other matters that defined a group/ethnicity, such as religion. But in most of the world, kinship seems to be the most important. The more closely related we are to someone, the more we identify with that person.

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    Re: Is ethnicity a social construct?

    As a professor and a Nationalist, I say, ultimately, no. What constructs social constructs? - The dynamism is always reduced to blood. Are we able to convolute the hell out of it? Sure. Shought or ought we? Well...
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    Re: Is ethnicity a social construct?

    This is a pretty interesting question. What do you by "social construct" exactly?

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    Re: Is ethnicity a social construct?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHook View Post
    This is a pretty interesting question. What do you by "social construct" exactly?
    A social construct is something that is made up by humans, something that is artificial, something that isn't based on the laws of nature (isn't natural).

    I see/hear the "race is just a social construct" comment so much from wannabe Che Guevara tshirt wearing losers that it has tired me out.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    What constructs social constructs? - The dynamism is always reduced to blood.
    Excellent.

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    Re: Is ethnicity a social construct?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHook View Post
    This is a pretty interesting question. What do you by "social construct" exactly?
    A social construct is something that is created ('constructed') through interaction between human beings (hence 'social') rather than emerging directly from nature without human involvement and agency. A political community is a social construct, a forest is not. There is a debate where ethnicity is located in this differentiation.

    Quote Originally Posted by fonze
    A social construct is something that is made up by humans, something that is artificial, something that isn't based on the laws of nature (isn't natural).
    I disagree with the idea that a social construct isn't based on the laws of nature; in fact, social constructs can be a prerequisite for the adequate actualisation of natural law.

    Quote Originally Posted by fonze
    I see/hear the "race is just a social construct" comment so much from wannabe Che Guevara tshirt wearing losers that it has tired me out.
    The question was about ethnicity rather than race, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patriotpatrik
    A folk's ethnicity can of course be influenced by historical occurrences and decisions made by kings and rulers, but its foundation is biological.
    Do you think the Swedish (or Germanic) ethnogenesis was a particularly biological event, rather than a social development?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patriotpatrik
    a folk's ethnicity goes beyond the concept of nationality, it is a symbiosis of many different parts, culture, history, race, lineage, behaviour, thinking, language, religion etc.
    Many of the aspects of ethnicity you mention here have changed through time; language, religion, modes of behaviour and thought, various cultural traits. Even lineage has somewhat changed; see your own example of the Swedification of formerly Danish people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patriotpatrik
    That is why a negro can never become a Swede or a Dane no matter what his passport says.
    I think a negro cannot become truly Swedish or Danish in an ethnic sense, because ethnicity includes a perception of shared heritage; the negro is racially very different from the people forming the Swedish/Danish ethnicity, and the perception of shared heritage can therefore not be projected upon him, regardless of his language or passport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madoc
    I've always thought of ethnicity as being at least partially based on blood. There are other matters that defined a group/ethnicity, such as religion.
    Let me quote from Baumann's The Multicultural Riddle, a book I should not be taken to endorse beyond the following insightful paragraphs (emphasis is mine):

    In seeking a contrast to the "blood" view of ethnicity, I have chosen to liken it to wine for several reasons. Wine is made of grapes, and it enjoys the reputation of a natural product, just as ethnic identities are usually associated with natural bonds as between forebears and descendents. Yet nature itself does not produce wine, just as little as ancestry by itself produces ethnicity. The natural ingredients need to be added to in order to achieve a process of fermentation, just as ethnic categorizations need political and economic interests to turn them into markers of identity that can operate in daily life. At the next stage, wine needs the right conditions to mature, just as ethnicity needs particular social conditions to acquire meaning among those who see themselves as sharing it. Finally, a wine will develop different flavors at different temperatures, and at some it will cease to be wine an turn to vinegar or water. Ethnicity, likewise, takes on different connotations and meanings, depending on the social climate in which it is experienced. Ethnic identities can be stressed or unstressed, enjoyed or resented, imposed or even denied, all depending on situation and context. Both wine and ethnicity are thus creations of human minds, skills, and plans-based on some natural ingredients, it is true, but far beyond anything that nature could ever do by itself.
    This does not mean, of course, that either wine or ethnicity are in some way unreal. Most of us have very little choice but to relate to the ethnic identities that others tell us we have, and the anthropologist Peter Worsley (1984) was right when he criticized "many interactionist studies of ethnicity... [because] choice is assumed to be the crucial social fact. Life, it would seem, is a market or a cafetaria" (p.246). The point is well taken.

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    Re: Is ethnicity a social construct?

    Is ethnicity a "social construct?"

    No, and neither is race.

    Is the Marxist dogmatism of Human
    Racial and Ethnic "Equality" just a
    "social construct?"

    According to this definition,

    "A social construct is something that is made up by humans,
    something that is artificial, something that isn't based on the
    laws of nature (isn't natural).",

    it is quite clear what is natural and based upon the laws of
    nature, actual racial and ethnic inequality, and what is only
    the "artificial" Jewish and False Lie of Marxist Egalitarianism.

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    Re: Is ethnicity a social construct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Needle View Post
    Is the Marxist dogmatism of Human Racial and Ethnic "Equality" just a "social construct?"
    Racial and ethnic equality is a delusion, in my humble opinion. I don't see how the idea of ethnicity as a social construct necessarily implies ethnic and racial equality.

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    Re: Is ethnicity a social construct?

    I hate to raise the name of an Anthropologist, especially a cultural one, but Claude Levi-Strauss has some thoughts on this and related issues. He says the human mind is constructed on binaries. Light-dark, good-evil, night-day, you get it. He says that three things are an abstraction to the human mind. So a traffic light with red, green and yellow is an abstraction. We all run yellow lights thinking they are just like green lights. Binaries work in this train of thought on an evolutionary level. Racism is really and "us" vs. "them" thing. In fact, according to Levi-Strauss, anything we conceive as us and them is just the same as racisim in our minds and completely up to the individual. So, religion is the same. If we hate Catholics or Babtists or Hindus we are really drawing "us--them", binary distinctions. If we do not draw religious lines, then it could be racism, it could be ethnicism, it could be politics. How many times have you encountered an anti who drew "us-them" distinctions about your politics? This is exactly the same as racism according to Levi-Strauss. So, Zionism really is racism and no UN ruling can change this. But Levi-Strauss also says one other thing. He says we all draw these lines somewhere. How many times have you heard a liberal denounce racism only to draw these lines somewhere else? Ethnicity is one of these binary functions, even seemlingly harmless ethnicity which we express here at Skadi. Since these binaries are hard-wired into the human brain and probably had great evolutionary/survival value in our history, why are we fighting this, trying to rename it or clean it up in any way? These binaries are the human condition, everyone from Jesus to Hitler had them. We should relax and accept what we are.

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