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    A New Interpretation of Vlusp

    A seeress or vlva performs an tiseta, a ritual of sitting outdoors, during which she has an encounter with the fantastic: A god, Odin, comes to her. She tells him that she knows where he put his eye in that famous Well of Mmir and every morning, Mmir drinks mead from the pledge of Odin. Then Odin chooses rings and necklace for her, and the vlva starts to prophecy about Ragnark.

    Why does the vlva tell Odin about his eye and pledge in particular? And why does this particular information make him choose rings for her, leading to her prophecy? Scholars have suggested many answers to these questions, and I am going to offer yet another idea. At my presentation at the Saga Conference in Durham, I shall also take a look at the overarching implications for the mythic poem in which we find this encounter between the vlva and Odin.

    The encounter is described in Vlusp 2829, and the pledge of Odin is also mentioned in the preceding stanza, Vlusp 27. Snorris Edda does not report on the encounter, but mentions the myth to which the vlva is alluding the myth within the myth. According to Gylfaginning ch. 15, the Well of Mmir contains wisdom and intelligence, and Mmir drinks of his well from the Gjallarhorn. Odin came to have a drink from the well, but had to pledge his eye in order to have one. Snorri cites the last half of Vlusp 28 as his source. So Snorri identifies Odins pledge with Odins eye, but does not have Mmir drinking from it, while the poem has Mmir drinking from Odins pledge, but does not identify it with Odins eye (or anything else). What exactly does the vlva refer to when she mentions Odins pledge?


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    Re: A new interpretation of Vlusp

    Her life maybe.?.?

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    Re: A new interpretation of Vlusp

    could she be refering to hidden, arcane knowledge about runes or magick when she refers to Odin's pledge? or maybe Odin's oath to warriorhood and loyalty to his brothers? I'm really not sure myself
    "A star is extinguished, another will begin to shine - thus it is written in the Book of Nature" - Guido von list, 'Der Ubesiegbare'

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    Re: A new interpretation of Vlusp

    Hmmm, perhaps it is a pledge to delay Ragnarok.

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    21. Alone she sat without,
    when came that ancient
    dread sirs prince;
    and in his eyes she gazed.

    As the plural 'eyes' is used it is obvious, that the eye in question, which is in Mimir's well is the 3rd eye. The 3rd eye is traditionally identified as 'consciousness' (don't stick to the word, it means a certain state one is in).

    So he put it into the well of Mirmir who is 'dead'. That means consciousness connected which somethings which doesn't work anymore. into the hands of somebody who lost a battle against the Giant's, the adversaries of the Gods.

    the Vala is performing a 'ritual' to get a connection to the Gods. So obviously it was her activity which called upon a God. As the God appeared HE tests her, as you interpreted it. The God wants to know whether she is the right one. He doesn't want to connect with somebody who is not pure. (Woman=emotion) consciousness can't live with hate, greed etc but only with a pure emotion and devotion to itself. The seeress answers with her knowledge, something she only could have gotten by being familiar with the Gods.

    Mim drinks mead, not water from the well. there is a difference. Water is in mythology often used as truth. So Odin placed consciousness into the source of truth. Mead is alcoholic and thus producing a certain state, obviously similar to that where the Gods dwell in. That means Odin tried to get Mimir back to life (consciousness) but obviously it didn't work.

    The Vala was accepted after she proves she is the right one. With consciousness' help she was able to see in the world of the Gods. A God can see, because awareness is aware of everything, if you miss this part you are mostly only able to see things in retrogard, not at the moment it happens.

    She foresees the struggle between the Gods (consciousness) and the adversaries, the giants (the lower part of a human, the body, or as christians say 'the flesh').

    56. The sun darkens,
    earth in ocean sinks,
    fall from heaven
    the bright stars,


    the sun, the bright light of consciousness darkens, consciousness is waning and disappears, the earth, the part which supports consciousness on the level of the lower self, sinks into the ocean (the chaos), And also the stars, the small supporters and bearers of light fall from heaven (a zone associated with the gods)

    and then:

    57. She sees arise,
    a second time,
    earth from ocean,
    beauteously green,
    waterfalls descending;

    the coming of another phase of being conscious.


    For my understanding in the Voeluspa is described a certain exercise to gain consciousness and then the struggle against the 'flesh' and the losing of consciousness. and after a while it arises new.

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    Whoa!! Everybody just got extremely deep! Now I have to reread the Edda again as I surely DID NOT get the underlying concepts that are circulating here. Thanks for the insight.

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