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  • Yes, he will return soon because humanity is too degenarate

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  • Yes he will return, but it is still too early

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    My parents are non-practicing, non-observing former Christians turned atheist or agnostic (I forget which). I went to church with my grandmother, but I did not care for Christianity, as it's teachings just go against basic human nature and all logic.

    Can a Christian answer my questions. Seriously, I want to know:

    [list=1][*]How can Jesus be the son of God and be God himself (part of the "trinity")?[*]How can God be "born" from a woman HE CREATED?[*]If God was "born" that also implies that God has "died," right? Everything with a beginning must have an ending, logically.[*]In the "trinity" (the father, son and holy spirit) are inseparable. So, if one of them dies (as Jesus did on the cross), does that mean that your God is dead and you are praying to nothing?[*]How can God "exist" in everything and why would He want to? Does He exist in dog sh1t? A used condom? A fart?[*]Do you honestly believe you can live your life however you want to, as long as at some point you pray to Jesus and ask him to forgive you? You never have to pay the price for any of your mistakes, because you can just dump all the responsibility on a dead man?[/list=1]

    Just curious.

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    Originally posted by ladygoeth33
    My parents are non-practicing, non-observing former Christians turned atheist or agnostic (I forget which). I went to church with my grandmother, but I did not care for Christianity, as it's teachings just go against basic human nature and all logic.

    Can a Christian answer my questions. Seriously, I want to know:

    [list=1][*]How can Jesus be the son of God and be God himself (part of the "trinity")?[*]How can God be "born" from a woman HE CREATED?[*]If God was "born" that also implies that God has "died," right? Everything with a beginning must have an ending, logically.[*]In the "trinity" (the father, son and holy spirit) are inseparable. So, if one of them dies (as Jesus did on the cross), does that mean that your God is dead and you are praying to nothing?[*]How can God "exist" in everything and why would He want to? Does He exist in dog sh1t? A used condom? A fart?[*]Do you honestly believe you can live your life however you want to, as long as at some point you pray to Jesus and ask him to forgive you? You never have to pay the price for any of your mistakes, because you can just dump all the responsibility on a dead man?[/list=1]

    Just curious.
    I am no longer a practising Christian, but I know from my experience as a Christian what the answer to these questions are: It is a miracle

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    "The only mental illness I see is in you! What has the desert got to with religion, you prat?"

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    Thats where Christianity came from. The Middle East is a desert like area. And Why throw insults?

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    yes jesus will come back, it says so in the qur'an

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    My parents are non-practicing, non-observing former Christians turned atheist or agnostic (I forget which). I went to church with my grandmother, but I did not care for Christianity, as it's teachings just go against basic human nature and all logic.

    Can a Christian answer my questions. Seriously, I want to know:

    1. How can Jesus be the son of God and be God himself (part of the "trinity")?
    2. How can God be "born" from a woman HE CREATED?
    3. If God was "born" that also implies that God has "died," right? Everything with a beginning must have an ending, logically.
    4. In the "trinity" (the father, son and holy spirit) are inseparable. So, if one of them dies (as Jesus did on the cross), does that mean that your God is dead and you are praying to nothing?
    5. How can God "exist" in everything and why would He want to? Does He exist in dog sh1t? A used condom? A fart?
    6. Do you honestly believe you can live your life however you want to, as long as at some point you pray to Jesus and ask him to forgive you? You never have to pay the price for any of your mistakes, because you can just dump all the responsibility on a dead man?


    Just curious.
    1. this is a false christian belief, in islam, this is not applicable
    2. another false christian belief, since jesus is not god, and no one is anything likeness of god
    3. jesus is not god though, another false christian belief does not exist in islam
    4. lol, yet another false christian belief that does not exist in islam
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    6. another false christian belief, in islam, you bear the responsilbity of your actions, not anyone else, and god can forgive you, not jesus

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    look read this:

    1) Belief in God:
    Muslims believe in one, unique, incomparable God, Who has no son nor partner, and that none has the right to be worshipped but Him alone. He is the true God, and every other deity is false. He has the most magnificent names and sublime perfect attributes. No one shares His divinity, nor His attributes. In the Quran, God describes Himself:


    Say, “He is God, the One. God, to Whom the creatures turn for their needs. He begets not, nor was He begotten, and there is none like Him.” (Quran, 112:1-4)

    No one has the right to be invoked, supplicated, prayed to, or shown any act of worship, but God alone.

    God alone is the Almighty, the Creator, the Sovereign, and the Sustainer of everything in the whole universe. He manages all affairs. He stands in need of none of His creatures, and all His creatures depend on Him for all that they need. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing, and the All-Knowing. In a perfect manner, His knowledge encompasses all things, the open and the secret, and the public and the private. He knows what has happened, what will happen, and how it will happen. No affair occurs in the whole world except by His will. Whatever He wills is, and whatever He does not will is not and will never be. His will is above the will of all the creatures. He has power over all things, and He is able to do everything. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, and the Most Beneficent. In one of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad , we are told that God is more merciful to His creatures than a mother to her child.1 God is far removed from injustice and tyranny. He is All-Wise in all of His actions and decrees. If someone wants something from God, he or she can ask God directly without asking anyone else to intercede with God for him or her.

    God is not Jesus, and Jesus is not God.2 Even Jesus himself rejected this. God has said in the Quran:

    Indeed, they have disbelieved who have said, “God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.” The Messiah said, “Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and his home is the Fire (Hell). For the wrongdoers,3 there will be no helpers.” (Quran, 5:72)

    God is not a trinity. God has said in the Quran:

    Indeed, they disbelieve who say, “God is the third of three (in a trinity),” when there is no god but one God. If they desist not from what they say, truly, a painful punishment will befall the disbelievers among them. Would they not rather repent to God and ask His forgiveness? For God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. The Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary, was no more than a messenger... (Quran, 5:73-75)

    Islam rejects that God rested on the seventh day of the creation, that He wrestled with one of His angels, that He is an envious plotter against mankind, or that He is incarnate in any human being. Islam also rejects the attribution of any human form to God. All of these are considered blasphemous. God is the Exalted. He is far removed from every imperfection. He never becomes weary. He does not become drowsy nor does he sleep.

    The Arabic word Allah means God (the one and only true God who created the whole universe). This word Allah is a name for God, which is used by Arabic speakers, both Arab Muslims and Arab Christians. This word cannot be used to designate anything other than the one true God. The Arabic word Allah occurs in the Quran about 2700 times. In Aramaic, a language related closely to Arabic and the language that Jesus habitually spoke,4 God is also referred to as Allah.

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    No. He is dead.

    The elevation of Christ to Divine supernatural status was part of the deal arranged with the Roman Empire inreturn for the Emperor Constantine accepting Christianity as the State religion of Rome.

    As all Roman Emperors had official status as Gods, it was politically unnaceptable for Constantine to adopt a religionand worship a mere mortal. Thus Christ's status was elevated to that of a Divine entity in order to appease the Senators of the Roman Empire.

    The incredibly difficuly concept of the paraclete(Holy Ghost), father (God) and Son ofGod (Jesus H.Christ) was the tongue-tied theological result that has bedevilled(can I say that) the Christian faith ever since.

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    Well I was born a Catholic, but now I no longer believe in Christianity. It is a myth. I possibly believe in some sort of after life though.

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    What few people realize is that much about the Book of Revelation is allegory. The Apostles and the Church fathers were never fundementalists who interpreted scriptures literally! Today's Christian fundelmentalists like Pat Robertson are nothing more than a throwback to Talmudism!


    http://www.fatheralexander.org/bookl...sh/revelat.htm

    Thus, the book of the Apocalypse was written during the time of increased persecution of the Church. Its aim was to strengthen and comfort the faithful in the face of forthcoming strife. It discloses the methods and artifice by which the devil and his servants attempt to destroy the believers. It teaches how one can overcome the temptations. The book of the Apocalypse sends an appeal to the faithful to be attentive to their spiritual state, to have no fear of suffering and death for the sake of Christ. It shows the happy life of the saints in heaven and calls to us to join them. Although believers sometimes have many enemies, they have many more defenders in the form of angels, saints, and especially Christ, the Victor.

    The book of the Apocalypse more vividly and more descriptively than any other book of Holy Scripture reveals the drama of the battle between good and evil in the history of mankind and demonstrates more fully the triumph of Good and Life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    I went to church with my grandmother, but I did not care for Christianity, as it's teachings just go against basic human nature and all logic.
    Actually Christianity goes with basic human nature and all logic; it just depends on how one defines "basic human nature and logic".

    Can a Christian answer my questions. Seriously, I want to know:
    Alright I'll take a shot at it!

    1. How can Jesus be the son of God and be God himself (part of the "trinity")?
    1. Gregory Thaumaturgus wrote in his Ekthesis tes pisteos composed between 260 and 270:

      "There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever (P. G., X, 986)."

    2. How can God be "born" from a woman HE CREATED?
    The Son in spirit existed since the beginning of time. He simply was born in human form in the womb of Mary.

  11. If God was "born" that also implies that God has "died," right? Everything with a beginning must have an ending, logically.
Yes, Jesus's human body died but his spirit did not.

  • In the "trinity" (the father, son and holy spirit) are inseparable. So, if one of them dies (as Jesus did on the cross), does that mean that your God is dead and you are praying to nothing?
  • That's only be true if the spirit of the son died on the Cross, but only his body died on the cross.

  • How can God "exist" in everything and why would He want to? Does He exist in dog sh1t? A used condom? A fart?
  • I'm refusing to answer this one due to the vulgarity and direct rudeness directed towards the Christian faith. If you want to make honest questions, fine, but there's no need to be a smart ass about it!

    Besides what you're talking about is pantheism, not Christianity. Among the propositions censured in the Syllabus of Pius IX is one that which declared: "There is no supreme, all-wise and all-provident Divine Being distinct from the universe; God is one with nature and therefore subject to change; He becomes God in man and the world; all things are God and have His substance; God is identical with the world, spirit with matter, necessity with freedom, truth with falsity, good with evil, justice with injustice" (Denzinger-Bannwart, "Ench.", 1701). So clearly such a world-view as you proposed is rejected by the Catholic/Orthodox churches.

  • Do you honestly believe you can live your life however you want to, as long as at some point you pray to Jesus and ask him to forgive you? You never have to pay the price for any of your mistakes, because you can just dump all the responsibility on a dead man?
  • Thats how it maybe in Protestantism, but not necessarily in Catholic/Orthodox views. Need we forget that when you do confess your sins, you have to do penance for them. Protestant believe that one is saved by "faith alone", while Orthodox/Catholic belief is more along the lines that one must have faith and live it out to a certain extent. And God appreciates any honest effort to live out the faith; even if one fails at doing so entirely.
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