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    I would of said it was a political symbol about 18 months ago, but since my conversion to Odinism from that time on, the Fylfot is most certainly a religious symbol. There is a bronze age Swastika (fylfot cross) on Ilkley moor in yorkshire in England. Also during the great wanderings of the old Aryan race, 3,500 years ago, they introduced many aspects of their culture to the peoples they encounterd as they traveled down into what is now known as India. The evidence is still there today as modern Hindus still use the Fylfot ( albeit without any political stigma involved, I may add). Ive heard that the swastika represents the 4 cardinal points (north, east, south,west.) But personally for me the notion that the four points represent Birth, life ,Death and re-birth really connects with me and as an Odinist it is a symbol of reality and Hope. Nothing ever dies as science is continually proving, our ancestors knew this (how is a wonder we may never know).So personally the Swastika as a political symbol used by the NAZIS is irrelevant. Hail the Aesir and the Vanir

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    I am fairly certain that the reason why the NSDAP used the Swastika is because of it's use in Germanic history. It was an ethnic-nationalist movement and of course , being such, it was going to use symbols which were perceived to represent the ethnicity involved.

    Personally, I do not believe that the NSDAP put a "negative meaning" to the Swastika or perverted it in any way... I believe that "the media" is the culprit when it comes to perverting the meaning of the swastika.

    Would you say that Israel has perverted the meaning of the Star of David by putting it on their flag? I wouldn't.... even with all of the blood shed under that flag, I would still say that the meaning has not been perverted.

    My opinion is that symbols are not any one person's personal property and they have been and will continue to be used throughout history for various reasons and to represent various things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambiorix
    I am fairly certain that the reason why the NSDAP used the Swastika is because of it's use in Germanic history. It was an ethnic-nationalist movement and of course , being such, it was going to use symbols which were perceived to represent the ethnicity involved.

    Personally, I do not believe that the NSDAP put a "negative meaning" to the Swastika or perverted it in any way... I believe that "the media" is the culprit when it comes to perverting the meaning of the swastika.

    Would you say that Israel has perverted the meaning of the Star of David by putting it on their flag? I wouldn't.... even with all of the blood shed under that flag, I would still say that the meaning has not been perverted.

    My opinion is that symbols are not any one person's personal property and they have been and will continue to be used throughout history for various reasons and to represent various things.

    Funny how Israel is now using the Inwaz rune....

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    Quote Originally Posted by enslaved1896
    Funny how Israel is now using the Inwaz rune....
    The Fylfot is definately a holy symbol, it is a natural occurance in the cosmos representing cycles. You can find it in the night sky as the Odin's/Thor's Wagon (Big Dipper) making it turns, and there are others smaller and bigger too.

    The defaming of the Fylfot after WW2 is all Jewish propaganda BS. Ignoring that "anti" crap is a good step to bring it back to public usage. I also like how the Odinic Rite presented it:


    I also have a hunch that the original "Hammer sign" was the signing of the Fyfot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enslaved1896
    Funny how Israel is now using the Inwaz rune....

    Israel used the Ingwaz rune?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambiorix
    Israel used the Ingwaz rune?
    Unfortunately they do! It is utter disrespect from Israel and Red Cross, they take nothing in consideration!

    Here is more on it: http://www.blutundboden.com/forum/sh...ghlight=ingwaz


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    Lightbulb The Swastika And Its Meaning

    The swastika (from Sanskrit svástika स्वास्तिक ) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (卐) or left-facing (卍) forms. The term is derived from Sanskrit svasti, meaning well-being. The Thai greeting sawasdee is from the same root and carries the same implication.

    The symbol occurs in other Asian, European, African and Native American cultures – sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol. It still is a widely-used symbol in Dharmic religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism). Hindus often decorate the swastika with a dot in each quadrant and in India, it is common enough to be a part of several Devanagari fonts. It is also a symbol in the modern Unicode and is often imprinted on religious texts, marriage invitations, and decorations. It is used to mark religious flags in Jainism and Buddhist temples in Asia.

    Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. The swastika has always represented the sun and it has always stood for enlightenment, prosperity and other benign features. It was also a common decoration that often adorned eg. cigarette cases or buildings. It was also the subject of numerous good luck pendants, coins and postcards. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

    In 1920, the swastika was appropriated as a national-socialist symbol, and since then has become a controversial motif. In the Western world, it is this usage as a symbol of national-socialism that is most familiar, and this political association has largely eclipsed its historical use in the East as well as pre-Christian Europe.

    Since Hitler used the swastika for his party, some people are trying to differentiate the two meanings of the swastika by varying its direction - trying to make the clockwise, national-socialist version of the swastika mean hate and death while the counter-clockwise version would hold the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck. This is, however, a fallacy based on prejudice and not on fact.

    sources:
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    The swastika is just an abbreviated black sun symbol and means exactly the same thing. It is a Schaubergian spiral, a vortex. It does not matter which way it spins as it is all a matter of persepective anyway. Viewed top down, it spins one way, from the bottom up, it spins the other way. Tilting it on its side was just an attempt to impart motion to the symbol. Centripital motion is creative, life giving, evolutionary while centrifual motion is destructive, death, de-evolving. Or stated another way, centripital motion is non-entropic, organizing, motion while centrifual motion is entropy defined.

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    I would emphasize that this solar symbol is present in almost all territories inhabited by Indo-Europeans and most likely it was borrowed by the Asians (notice the great importance they give it in the Dharmic religions, it's very interesting to think about this aspect) and other peoples. It wasn't a coincidence that this symbol was used by national-socialism.

    Yes, it doesn't matter which way it spins, the significance is the same in both cases. The problem is what many people see in it, due to some social and political aspects, which aren't supposed to be discussed here.

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    I personally don't buy the connection with a sun symbol. The style of swastika I have on my leg is from Icelandic spellbooks from the medieval period and was refered to as the "thor's hammer" in these grimoires. In addition, it has a close associated with Indra. It's use as a ward against evil is familiar to the god of thunder's tendancy to protect man from the more harmful spirits. Symbols similar to the swastika were engraved on the beams of houses to ward them from lightning.

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