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    History Notes Strong Judeo-Irish Heritage

    History Notes Strong Judeo-Irish Heritage
    March 13, 2004
    Jonathan A. Harris

    http://www.ctnow.com/news/opinion/op...,4721143.story

    Every year, I look forward to marching in the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Hartford, which is being held today. As I march through the streets of the capital city, through a spirited sea of green-clad cheering people, I cannot escape the overwhelming pride of the Irish - a people that have contributed so much to the region, state and nation.

    Pride in one's roots is a crucial ingredient in the success of the American melting pot. It must never be forgotten. We must also recognize the numerous connections between groups of people. One such connection is between the Irish and the Jews.

    A while back, a friend told me about an organization called the Loyal League of the Yiddish Sons of Erin. This New York-based group was composed of Irish Jews who immigrated to the United States. They would hold their own St. Patrick's Day celebration in which they would eat green bagels and green matzo balls in chicken soup. For many years, they marched under their own banner in New York's St. Patrick's Day Parade.

    There have long been Jews in Ireland. The period of 1881 to 1911 represented the high period of Jewish immigration to Ireland. The majority of these immigrants hailed from Lithuania. Jews in Ireland were overwhelmingly in favor of Irish independence from Britain. For example, the Judeo-Irish Home Rule Association was formed in 1908. During the Troubles, Fanny Goldberg of Cork joined Cuman na mBan, according to "Shalom Ireland: A Social History of the Jews in Modern Ireland," by Ray Rivlin. This women's arm of the Irish Volunteers nursed the wounded and transported ammunition. Irish Republican Army fugitives were sheltered in Jewish homes, Rivlin writes. The main IRA underground newspaper was secretly printed by an Irish Jew, Abraham Spiro. Countless Jews are among the list of decorated IRA veterans.

    The Jewish community in Ireland reached a high of nearly 6,000 in the 1940s. In the 20th century, the island's three largest cities - Dublin, Belfast and Cork - each elected a lord mayor of the Jewish faith. For decades, Dublin had its "Little Jerusalem" neighborhood, Cork its "Jewtown." In fact, until the 1950s, Dublin reportedly had eight kosher butcher shops and 12 synagogues.

    The island's Jewish population has dwindled considerably in recent years. According to one estimate, in 1991 there were 1,581 Jews in the Republic of Ireland and 410 in Northern Ireland. In recent decades, younger Irish Jews have left the island for better economic opportunities, just like their Roman Catholic countrymen, mainly headed to the United States and England. An estimated 350 Irish-born Jews live in Israel today.

    One of the immigrants to Israel was Chaim Herzog. Herzog, who was elected president of Israel in 1983, was born in Belfast in 1918 and raised in Dublin. He spoke fluent English, Gaelic, Hebrew and Yiddish. His father was the chief rabbi of Ireland and would later become the chief rabbi of Israel. Herzog's 1997 obituary in The New York Times made slight mention of his Irish heritage and no mention of his enthusiasm for Irish independence. It was a glaring omission because Herzog's experience with the Irish independence movement undoubtedly shaped his role in Israeli independence.

    As I march in the St. Patrick's Day Parade today, I will not only be feeling the pride of the Irish, I will also be celebrating the connections many of us have to Ireland and to each other. "Slainte!" Or is that "L'chaim"?

    Jonathan A. Harris is mayor of West Hartford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    History Notes Strong Judeo-Irish Heritage

    March 13, 2004
    Jonathan A. Harris



    http://www.ctnow.com/news/opinion/op...,4721143.story

    Every year, I look forward to marching in the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Hartford, which is being held today. As I march through the streets of the capital city, through a spirited sea of green-clad cheering people, I cannot escape the overwhelming pride of the Irish - a people that have contributed so much to the region, state and nation.

    Pride in one's roots is a crucial ingredient in the success of the American melting pot. It must never be forgotten. We must also recognize the numerous connections between groups of people. One such connection is between the Irish and the Jews.

    A while back, a friend told me about an organization called the Loyal League of the Yiddish Sons of Erin. This New York-based group was composed of Irish Jews who immigrated to the United States. They would hold their own St. Patrick's Day celebration in which they would eat green bagels and green matzo balls in chicken soup. For many years, they marched under their own banner in New York's St. Patrick's Day Parade.

    There have long been Jews in Ireland. The period of 1881 to 1911 represented the high period of Jewish immigration to Ireland. The majority of these immigrants hailed from Lithuania. Jews in Ireland were overwhelmingly in favor of Irish independence from Britain. For example, the Judeo-Irish Home Rule Association was formed in 1908. During the Troubles, Fanny Goldberg of Cork joined Cuman na mBan, according to "Shalom Ireland: A Social History of the Jews in Modern Ireland," by Ray Rivlin. This women's arm of the Irish Volunteers nursed the wounded and transported ammunition. Irish Republican Army fugitives were sheltered in Jewish homes, Rivlin writes. The main IRA underground newspaper was secretly printed by an Irish Jew, Abraham Spiro. Countless Jews are among the list of decorated IRA veterans.

    The Jewish community in Ireland reached a high of nearly 6,000 in the 1940s. In the 20th century, the island's three largest cities - Dublin, Belfast and Cork - each elected a lord mayor of the Jewish faith. For decades, Dublin had its "Little Jerusalem" neighborhood, Cork its "Jewtown." In fact, until the 1950s, Dublin reportedly had eight kosher butcher shops and 12 synagogues.

    The island's Jewish population has dwindled considerably in recent years. According to one estimate, in 1991 there were 1,581 Jews in the Republic of Ireland and 410 in Northern Ireland. In recent decades, younger Irish Jews have left the island for better economic opportunities, just like their Roman Catholic countrymen, mainly headed to the United States and England. An estimated 350 Irish-born Jews live in Israel today.

    One of the immigrants to Israel was Chaim Herzog. Herzog, who was elected president of Israel in 1983, was born in Belfast in 1918 and raised in Dublin. He spoke fluent English, Gaelic, Hebrew and Yiddish. His father was the chief rabbi of Ireland and would later become the chief rabbi of Israel. Herzog's 1997 obituary in The New York Times made slight mention of his Irish heritage and no mention of his enthusiasm for Irish independence. It was a glaring omission because Herzog's experience with the Irish independence movement undoubtedly shaped his role in Israeli independence.

    As I march in the St. Patrick's Day Parade today, I will not only be feeling the pride of the Irish, I will also be celebrating the connections many of us have to Ireland and to each other. "Slainte!" Or is that "L'chaim"?

    Jonathan A. Harris is mayor of West Hartford.
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    Post Re: Judeo-Irish?

    One of the leading anti-racist in Ireland is a kike.

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    Post Re: Judeo-Irish?

    Fairly typical Jewish tactics I would have thought - hijacking other people's cultures. There was also plenty of Jews in Britain who supported Britain's occupation of Ireland. By putting their eggs into as many different baskets as possible, the Jews can appear to be everyone's friend.

    If Jews wished to promote Irish independance then good for them, but they shouldn't go about hoping for favours in return.

    Hmm...I fancy some rashers of streaky Irish bacon for breakfast

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    Post Re: Judeo-Irish?

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    Fairly typical Jewish tactics I would have thought - hijacking other people's cultures. There was also plenty of Jews in Britain who supported Britain's occupation of Ireland. By putting their eggs into as many different baskets as possible, the Jews can appear to be everyone's friend.

    If Jews wished to promote Irish independance then good for them, but they shouldn't go about hoping for favours in return.

    Hmm...I fancy some rashers of streaky Irish bacon for breakfast
    Hmmmm....what about some of those who believe that some of the 'lost tribes' of Israel made their way to Britain?
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    Post Re: Judeo-Irish?

    Hartford is the 2nd biggest shit hole here in Connecticut, first being Bridgeport. I doubt the Irish population even appears on the census map for Hartford. The city is all Puerto Rican/Mexican/Negras. The jews can make that city their hole all they want to. West Hartford is a halfway decent town. Jews always try to show how much they are a part of a nation yet they always remain so distinct. A jew can never be an Irishman nor a Frenchman nor a German. They will always be just a jew in my view and I believe they think of themselves in that way as well.

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    "Hijacking peoples cultures"? Yet on the other hand Jews are criticised for not wanting to be part of the other person's culture and thinking of themselves as "just a jew".

    can jews do anything right?

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    Post Re: Judeo-Irish?

    Quote Originally Posted by gorgeousgal2k2
    "Hijacking peoples cultures"? Yet on the other hand Jews are criticised for not wanting to be part of the other person's culture and thinking of themselves as "just a jew".

    can jews do anything right?
    The point being made is that I doubt the integrity of their motives.
    In as much as I am saying that the I do wonder if there is a self-serving motive behind it all. Jewish banking institutions have financed various causes and revolutions throughout history as it served them. History would suggest that it would be unusual for the Jews to be patriotic for merely altruistic purposes unless they could see some tangible benefit to them as well.
    AngryPotato has a point in that while Germans, French, British, Spanish, etc can all identify themselves primarily and even solely with their nationality, Jews are always aware that they are also Jewish, that the Jewish cause also competes for their loyalties and I don't doubt that for many, their loyalty to their fellow Jews will always take precedence over everything else.
    This may be the reason why Jews tend to promote Globalism and Internationalism through their idealogies/ (whether through Free-Market Captalism or through International Communism, etc). It is easier for them not to be expected to be patriotic to a single nation but rather to have something much more vague and international.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    The point being made is that I doubt the integrity of their motives.
    In as much as I am saying that the I do wonder if there is a self-serving motive behind it all. Jewish banking institutions have financed various causes and revolutions throughout history as it served them. History would suggest that it would be unusual for the Jews to be patriotic for merely altruistic purposes unless they could see some tangible benefit to them as well.
    and which nations and peoples have never done that? Come on.

    I'm patriotic because I love my country, I am proud of it's history. I love the landscape and the people. NOT because of some mysterious "Jewish interest" which everyone talks about but nobody can agree on what it is.

    I'm going to live here the rest of my life, because I like living here. Not because of some evil, evil, Jooish Conthpiwwathy.

    Sorry, but this is something that REALLY annoys me. When people assume that I am not patriotic and hate the country i live in, because of my background, when they assume, completely wrongly that because I am Jewish I must be working against the country in some undetectable way.

    It's something that really, really really pisses me off. Seriously. Don't even try it.

    By the way, when it was the World Cup in 2002, I was cheering for England, all the way. A German girl living here supported every other team which beat england, and actually was happy when England lost! The Euro Cup of 2000, I painted St George crosses on my face and we had a St George flag outside the house. I am very patriotic. I'm proud of this country's achievements. I'd not live anywhere else. And I mean that.
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    Post Re: Judeo-Irish?

    Quote Originally Posted by gorgeousgal2k2
    and which nations and peoples have never done that? Come on.

    I'm patriotic because I love my country, I am proud of it's history. I love the landscape and the people. NOT because of some mysterious "Jewish interest" which everyone talks about but nobody can agree on what it is.

    I'm going to live here the rest of my life, because I like living here. Not because of some evil, evil, Jooish Conthpiwwathy.
    You mentioned nations, but that's precisely my point.
    A nation will always be competing with a Jews loyalty with International Judaism.

    I'm quite willing to accept that not all Jews are thus inclined, obviously not as there are documented cases of Jews who have converted and subsequently denounced the workings of International Judaism. But I believe there is a leadership which most certainly does operate according to motives which are not in everyone's best interests.

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