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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitor
    First do you know why they used slaves as sexual partners in Brazil?
    yap there were no portuguese womans around!
    First...this Thread is not about Brazil...it´s about Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal showing North African and Sub-Saharan African influence.
    Slaves were used as sexual partners in Brazil and in PORTUGAL not only because '' there were no portuguese womans around '', but because portuguese try to have sex with everything who moves.Portuguese have a historical tradition as great miscigenators :
    '' A peculiaridade nacional, contudo, residia na crença em que a inferioridade dos mestiços não era um fato absoluto e que,através da miscigenação com as melhores raças brancas, era possível produzir-se, por uma espécie de seleção natural, um tipo mais branco e evoluído e que esse processo estava acontecendo no Brasil.Para tal, contribíram uma baixa fertilidade dos negros e mulatos, A TRADIÇÃO PORTUGUESA DE CRUZAMENTO INTER-RACIAL e a imigração européia.( Ramos apud Seyferth 1991 )



    Quote Originally Posted by Vitor
    If you think that portuguese were different and are blind for races you are Wrong!

    Brasiilian whites have more than 70% of non european mithocondria.

    So in a sense white Brazilian are not european!

    Pay attention, this Thread is not about Brazil...it is about Portugal...
    I would say that you are wrong.. according with Pena, '' Brazilian whites ''( this people classified theirselfs as being whites ) have 60% and not 70% of non european mt-DNA.Portuguese have 7% of North African and Sub-Saharan African sequences between 5% and 9.8%sequences detected. So in this point of view not only white Brazilians but also white Portugueses are not european.
    Last edited by Euclides; Wednesday, February 23rd, 2005 at 10:04 PM.

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    ''An important gene flow from Africa was detected in the Atlantic Iberia. Specific sub-Saharan lineages appeared mainly restricted to southern Portugal, and could be attributed to historic Black slave trade in the area and to a probable Saharan Neolithic influence.''

    ''As expected, sub-Saharan African influence, represented by baplotypes classified in L and Ml clusters, is important in northwest Africa (26.1%) but negligible in Europe, with the exception of south Portugal (11.7%). ''

    '' However, with respect to the sub-Saharan Africa lineages, the recent history of the Black slave trade carried out by the Portuguese (mainly in the 15th and 16th centuries), with a well-documented import in southern Portugal (Godinho, 1983), could also be a plausible alternative to explain the presence of these African haplotypes in this region ''

    source: Mitochondrial DNA affinities at the Atlantic fringe of Europe/ Gonzalez AM, Brehm A, Perez JA, Maca-Meyer N, Flores C, Cabrera VM .

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    More about Racial Mixing in Portugal:


    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=7068

    Azorians are a mixed people ( Iberians + Black africans + semitic Jewish)



    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=23153

    Mitochondrial DNA affinities at the Atlantic fringe of Europe

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal


    Granted there are some black genes in Iberia, but it's not from black slaves...
    Please!
    The moors brought with them some of that stuff I guess...

    Africans were not considered even humans until XX century...

    Try not to see this stuff in the eyes of a XXI century man, PC was not invented until the XX century...
    those findings are from PC propaganda.

    I even saw some studies that mentioned that some populations in netherlands have more than 10% of black genes.

    hilarious!

    If we follow your thoughts southern germans with middle-eastern-berberid Y haplogroup are not european either!

    And believe me they have more of that stuff than portuguese!


    Again we have 3% of sub-sahran genes, 6% of the portuguese woman have MTDNA from sub-sahara region, so 3%...

    but that we already had when we explored the world.

    In the time of the portuguese explorations there were not lack of white womans, but plenty of lonely white womans....(in Portugal)
    So IT doesn't make sense!

    Again the slaves into portugal were mostly MALES, it was more convinient.
    reprodution of slaves were not promoted like in the north America...
    they indeed disapeared vanished...but not into the gene pool of the portuguese.

    PC propaganda might say look france is negro please welcome the negro brother, but that is pure propaganda!

    Do you know where the name mulata comes from?
    portuguese thought that mulatos were like mules...
    mula(mule)->mullata

    most european countries have 1-2% of black genes, that is not from recent migration!

    Some of it arrived with neolithic invasions (from middle east), and all of europe got their share of that neolithic genes (like southern germans), so that number.

    Are europe black?
    and so we must welcome the africans into our genes?
    It seems that you are saying that!
    Last edited by Vitor; Thursday, February 24th, 2005 at 03:30 AM.

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    I do not know anything about azores, you might be right there because it was colonized in the XV century, it might got a bigger share of african blood, but I really doubt that is the case...

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Specific sub-Saharan lineages appeared mainly restricted to southern Portugal
    only in the south, hum...
    yap it's closer to africa, and it was later conquered by the northern folks...so the bigger northern african influence.

    make sense...

    but if that is right (restricted only in the south) again we must drop that 6% of sub-saharan genes to...2%
    Southern portugal don't even have 10% of all the portuguese population.

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitor



    I even saw some studies that mentioned that some populations in netherlands have more than 10% of black genes.

    hilarious!

    !

    Please send us this studies...

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