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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    This paper contradicts Mynydd's outspoken attack on my position in 'Il Fronte Romanesco', that the Iberian peninsula has received more than its fair share of non-Europid admixture. Thanks for posting it. I hope that being banned doesn't stop him from viewing the forum!
    Why worry so much about this issue? Portugal is not a threat to Europe's racial make-up; Third World immigration is.

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    Why worry so much about this issue? Portugal is not a threat to Europe's racial make-up; Third World immigration is.
    you don't even imagine how i agree with you!

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes de León
    you don't even imagine how i agree with you!
    Fair enough, I made my point and won't mention it again.

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes de León
    Also, keep in mind that slaves who remained in Portugal were taken to the south (Alentejo) and to the coast line under Lisbon... a very very small negroid population were taken to the countryside, and even less to the north, i've attached a picture were you can see this better, the yellow parts are the ones with more negroid population dating to that time, the one in gray also has some negroid populution, but they were a real minority, so... we don't have to bother ourselves to much with that!

    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthre...6376#post96381 ----> this post has lots of contradictions to what you said... and since i'm portuguese, i must say that almost all of them are quite right!

    I've also attached a map to show you where i live... just for you to know that i belong to that part in Portugal that has not been under any "moorish empire"... the same about negroids...
    Ironically the U6 haplogroup which is North African, is highest in the North. "Another peculiarity of the Iberian mitochondrial pool is the presence of sequences belonging to the U6 group (Richards et al. 1998), signalling a North African influence that has not been detected elsewhere in other European populations. 7% of North African sequences were detected."

    While Negroid mtDNA is spread all over Portugal by the former practice of increasing the number of one's chattel. "Sub-Saharan African sequences were found to be spread throughout the country, with frequencies between 5% and 9.8%." In comparison, Mexico is 5% Negroid.

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes de León
    you don't even imagine how i agree with you!
    That's good to hear

    Fair enough, I made my point and won't mention it again.
    Your point is taken It's true that Portugal is in all probability one of the heaviest mixed populations of Europe, but even in Portugal the miscegenation did not substantially change the racial identity of the native population. 'White Nationalists' often use the 1/16th rule; the Portugese are well within that range.
    Which, by the way, does not mean I endorse the mixing of the various European ethnic groups on a large scale. They are, however, all White to me.

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    Ironically the U6 haplogroup which is North African, is highest in the North. "Another peculiarity of the Iberian mitochondrial pool is the presence of sequences belonging to the U6 group (Richards et al. 1998), signalling a North African influence that has not been detected elsewhere in other European populations. 7% of North African sequences were detected."

    While Negroid mtDNA is spread all over Portugal by the former practice of increasing the number of one's chattel. "Sub-Saharan African sequences were found to be spread throughout the country, with frequencies between 5% and 9.8%." In comparison, Mexico is 5% Negroid.
    But in the case of Mexico, the other 95% isn't White.

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    Your point is taken It's true that Portugal is in all probability one of the heaviest mixed populations of Europe, but even in Portugal the miscegenation did not substantially change the racial identity of the native population. 'White Nationalists' often use the 1/16th rule; the Portugese are well within that range.
    Which, by the way, does not mean I endorse the mixing of the various European ethnic groups on a large scale. They are, however, all White to me.
    finally, someone who understands me... you are my new best friend!!!

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    'White Nationalists' often use the 1/16th rule; the Portugese are well within that range.
    Which, by the way, does not mean I endorse the mixing of the various European ethnic groups on a large scale. They are, however, all White to me.
    1/16th Negroid is white to you?

    The 1/16th rule was former American law concerning Mongoloid admixture, not Negroid. Negroid has always been a "one-drop rule".

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    1/16th Negroid is white to you?

    The 1/16th rule was former American law concerning Mongoloid admixture, not Negroid. Negroid has always been a "one-drop rule".
    i do not tend to harm you in any kind, so, don't feel offended with this comment...

    but, have you ever been to Portugal???

    not that this that matters, but here (in northern Portugal), i've seen lots of Germanic Nordid people, with less admixture than much people i saw when i went to Germany...

    as you probably know... great power nations always attracted foreign people... the portuguese golden age brought foreing people, as well as Germany, after the Industrial Revolution... lot's of jews immigrated to Germany... Fortunately, Hitler made us all the favor to almost extinguish them... i dont' know if you understand my point, i hope you do!

    (PS: sorry, my english can be really strange sometimes!)

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    Post Re: Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes de León
    as you probably know... great power nations always attracted foreign people... the portuguese golden age brought foreing people, as well as Germany, after the Industrial Revolution... lot's of jews immigrated to Germany
    I wasn't going to mention this stuff again, but what the heck...

    Johannes de León has a point. Whatever happened to those black African soldiers that the French stationed in the Rhineland after the end of WW1 ? Or the Namibians that travelled/were transported to Germany during its colonial days ? Not quite on the Portuguese scale, but there nonetheless. The Romans might not have conquered Germany in its entirety, but they had a good go, and MUST have used soldiers from other parts of the empire. Boris Becker may be carrying on an old German tradition. How small is your one drop ?

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