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Thread: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning?

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    Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning?

    What do you think is the correct mythos about the creation of mankind?

    1. Gylfaginning: The common theory found in 99% of all books.The three gods Odin, Vili (Hoenir) and Ve (Lodur) find two pieces of wood and form the first two humans Ask and Embla.

    2. Rigs■ula: The racial mythos, interpreted by Varg Vikernes as the creation of the humans. The God Rig (Hemdallr) was send to earth by Odin to create a better race of humans [humanoids already exist] which is worth learning the runes and secrets of the gods. Heimdallr creates the Thrall's kin, Karl's kin and Jarl's kin.

    3. Other: You have another theory? Another mythos? Tell us your opinion.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    I find them to complement each other. The Gylfaginning describes the creation of human life as such, while the Righsthula describes how the castes are created (this also seems to be a local myth since there are no negroids or asians in it, but only the various types of northern europeans).

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    I know nothing about this but the second option sounds like alot more fun. Option one sounds like the bible while option two could be made into a Wagnerian opera.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    They are both the same.

    Odin, Villi, Ve is actually the evolution of the mind into matter as when Odin and his brothers slew Ymir and created the world.


    Ask and Emble are the male and female aryan archetypes.
    They are personified as trees because they come from the world tree Irminsul. Everything with Ond, comes from Irminsul.


    Odin is mind
    Villi is Will or Thunar
    Ve is Holy or Frey who is called Ing Ve Frey. Ing means Ingevones, or the children of Kon Jarl who Rig created last as the fulfillment of begetting ape to man, making God in his own image.

    Evolution

    Odin (Mind/Will/Spirit) slays matter and makes the world. YMIR

    Odin come to Erd(the women whom he begets offspring with) and procreates making children from apes until they are in Odin's image (Frey/Lord/Aryaman and Freya/Lady/Aryawomen).

    Finally, there is Ask and Embla who are the first Aryaman and Aryawomen, the perfect aryan Godman and Godwoman who are the Jarl caste in Rigsthula. Odin gives these Jarls/nobles/Ario godknowlege/runes, teaches them war, and gives the odal/ancestral property which is gutthiuda which the goths called this nation.

    The three tales are showing the different stages, versions, of the evolution of Gutthjod.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    Similar except God in Judiasm created only Man first out of dirt, then created a women out of his rib. This points to Jews are being earthly. Whereas in Odinism, God created man out of apes (Rigsthula). God incarnated, found a black women, procreated, the result being half god, half ape, then he kept procreating until he bred his children in his image (Aryans). Ultimately, they were born not from Earth/Dirt, but from the Air/Heaven/Irminsul - the Cosmic Tree (Ask the male spiritual substance and Embla, the female spiritual substance). There is also a Ying/Yang component of Male/Female of cosmic principles. The universe is just not male, but male/female and their InterActions are the phenomena of the world.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    There are no apes or blacks in Norse mythology.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airmanareiks View Post
    Similar except God in Judiasm created only Man first out of dirt, then created a women out of his rib. This points to Jews are being earthly. Whereas in Odinism, God created man out of apes (Rigsthula). God incarnated, found a black women, procreated, the result being half god, half ape, then he kept procreating until he bred his children in his image (Aryans). Ultimately, they were born not from Earth/Dirt, but from the Air/Heaven/Irminsul - the Cosmic Tree (Ask the male spiritual substance and Embla, the female spiritual substance). There is also a Ying/Yang component of Male/Female of cosmic principles. The universe is just not male, but male/female and their InterActions are the phenomena of the world.
    This is a reading of the Rigs■ula that I'm wholly unfamiliar with.

    What evidence can you point to in the text to support this reading?

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    There are no apes or blacks in Norse mythology.

    Europe and other parts of the world was once inhabited by Apes. They evolved into primarily into:

    Neanderthal man where there are still remnants of today in
    Austrian aborigines.

    Aryans were created as above by an Aryan God incarnating and breeding back to Aryaman.

    Historically, this is the creation of man. Cromagnon man, etal......drove out Neanderthals from Europe or displaced the apeman.

    Gradually, as the Neanderthals disappeared, the OTHER was made into Jotuns. Snorri says that in the south there are STRANGE CREATURES, blue men .........

    The Ur Aryan anthropogenesis was the evolution from:

    Ape to Godman

    But, again, as the apeman (neanderthals) left and there were only "Whites" left, the story changed into Jotuns, giants, trolls, who were of a different species.

    The time of Rigsthula, Gylfaginning probably dates around 50,000 BCE or so. It dates from the creation of Cro-Magnon man or Aryans.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airmanareiks View Post
    Europe and other parts of the world was once inhabited by Apes. They evolved into primarily into:

    Neanderthal man where there are still remnants of today in
    Austrian aborigines.

    Aryans were created as above by an Aryan God incarnating and breeding back to Aryaman.

    Historically, this is the creation of man. Cromagnon man, etal......drove out Neanderthals from Europe or displaced the apeman.

    Gradually, as the Neanderthals disappeared, the OTHER was made into Jotuns. Snorri says that in the south there are STRANGE CREATURES, blue men .........

    The Ur Aryan anthropogenesis was the evolution from:

    Ape to Godman

    But, again, as the apeman (neanderthals) left and there were only "Whites" left, the story changed into Jotuns, giants, trolls, who were of a different species.

    The time of Rigsthula, Gylfaginning probably dates around 50,000 BCE or so. It dates from the creation of Cro-Magnon man or Aryans.
    It sounds, then, like your view of the creation of man is not based on any reading of the Rigs■ula or any other part of the lore, but rather on contemporary scientific theory Ś much like some Christians interweave evolutionary theory with the Biblical acount of creation.

    I would guess that your view might not be as representative of Odinism as your earlier post suggested. Germanic heathenry is not quite so monolithic as all that.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    No. Rigsthula says the Thralls are "Swarthy", hairy, ugly, dark. This describes Neanderthal man perfectly. Rig was not happy with his children created from ArioAnderthal who was the Karls (Red/Mongrel) so he continued until his offspring was in the image of God (Rig Ariomanus or Mannus in Germania begotten from Tuisto) the perfect Aryan archetype (Jarl/Noble/Nordic). It was long process so the 3 castes reflect the eugenic Aryan drive to Perfection.

    Odinism is the original religion of Aryans, before Vedism, Thracian, Mittani, etc........

    Ur Odinism is Ur Aryanism.

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