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Thread: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning?

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airmanareiks View Post
    No. Rigsthula says the Thralls are "Swarthy", hairy, ugly, dark. This describes Neanderthal man perfectly.
    No it doesn't, as we have NOT a clue as to their soft-tissue structure or pigmentation. I'd rather suppose a Eskimid or Lappid sort of look [not skeletally of course], given their obvious adaptation to the cold north.
    Odinism is the original religion of Aryans, before Vedism, Thracian, Mittani, etc........
    Ur Odinism is Ur Aryanism.
    This goes against everything we have learnt from comparative mythology. If your love for your ancestors leads you to over-idealise them, it is not truly THEM that you love.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airmanareiks View Post
    No. Rigsthula says the Thralls are "Swarthy", hairy, ugly, dark. This describes Neanderthal man perfectly.
    It also describes a lot of other groups of people.



    Odinism is the original religion of Aryans, before Vedism, Thracian, Mittani, etc........

    Ur Odinism is Ur Aryanism.
    Hmm. There's more evidence to suggest that Tiw, rather than Woden, was the original Aryan god, or at least the original head of the gods. Woden is a more recent, and specifically Germanic, innovation, if I'm not mistaken.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    Tivar means GODS which is akin to Devas. Nothing more.

    Odin is ArcheTivar, or highest Tiw Zio Fader who is Zeus, Dyaus Pitar, Ju Pitar.
    Tyr is a component of God, more precisely:


    Rede/Rita which is right, or correct thought, correct Runes, righteousness.

    God is emanation of the mind which is mental/runic entropic which creates space/time. God's thoughts are Rede which is Tyr (negative entropy) or Irminsul, the pillar of Odin is Yggdrasil. Thus, the comos as divine fire or Logos/Logic/Rita/Rede. These are the attributes of Tyr which means that Logos/Rede IS Tyr. Tyr is Loge or Fire which is Irminsul/Yggdrasil which Odin rides, i.e. Tyr is the son of Odin, who is the All Father.

    Etymology.

    But you can believe Tyr is the original god of Germans. That is up to you. I am stating MY views.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    If your love for your ancestors leads you to over-idealise them, it is not truly THEM that you love.

    Aryanism is a continual process of SELF perfection, mental/physical/spiritual into the Perfect Archetype (Ariomanus/Aryawomen).

    Thus, aryanism is eugenic where the ideal is never really obtain. Thus, inequality intra individuals, intra caste, intra race, intra species. This creates a better heim, the heirarchy ascends for without this eugenic drive to perfection, there is degeneration. Thus, life is war and the Aryan Gods are warriors because life is war. As Heraclitus states, war is the father and king of all, some he makes free, others slaves, some are born gods, some gods become men and some men become gods. Aryanism is a self striving to perfection. Without Perfect Archetypes/Idols, you have no goal to move towards. Thus, the destruction of "Pagan" idols by Jesus lovers, destroyed the drive to physical perfection, rank by race/caste. But Jesuism is spiritual communism so what would you expect.


    From my perspective, I want all women to be very hot/smart/pure. I hope women feel the same with men. What if women did not care how they looked (i.e. did not care if they appeared sexually attractive to men? Women strive toward physical perfection more then men) When both men and women strive for perfection, it makes sexual selection much easier and the race overall improves to that Archetype. But without that vision/goal other motives for sexual selection arise (materialistic/prostitution)

    Aryanism recognises the natural law, the eugenic drive which is largely based on Sexual selection which why the study of sex and the ability to attract the hottest women of the world is paramount if a particular race is to ascend rather then descend into oblivion. The problem is that women due not base their sexual selection on looks, but rather on material wealth. Thus, Women strive to become hotter, and men more wealthy. Under this system, based on demographics, the lowest castes are outgrowing the highest castes, thus humanity is devolving into primatism back into oblivion.


    Here is how the archetypes work.
    As a Man striving to be the Superman or Overman - Aryaman
    As a Man stribing to procreate with the perfect women - Aryawomen

    When the Man strives to be the Superman and strives to procreate with the Superwomen, you have Superior kids.

    As a Women striving to be the Superwomen - Aryawomen
    As a Women striving to procreate with the perfect man

    Obviously the Aryaman and Aryawomen are different in physically, mentally, spiritually. Most men agree with who the aryawomen is physically. You only have to look at the best porn sites to find examples.
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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning?

    I suppose the answer is going to depend on whether you see the stories as literal, or as allegories. For me the creation myth is not unlike the Big Bang theory. When boiled down to there bare components both state there was a void, probably a bit chilly, that suddenly got hot. I don’t discount myth; at basic they are stories that are designed to interpret human existence, or to impart morals and values.

    The other point I would make is that science and Heathenism do not really clash, unless you are a literal Heathen. Personally I see the Gods as archetypes; some 50,000 or so years ago mankind suddenly went through an artistic revolution, which saw the development, amongst other things, of symbolism. The Palaeolithic caves of Europe show early contact between mankind and the spiritual dimension, whether you believe there is a spirit world, or it is a drug induced hallucination, either way it became central to human thought. Personally I can well believe there is a spirit dimension; quantum physics has done much to prove the existence of other dimensions. I also don’t have a problem with Darwinian evolution.

    OrlŠg, the universal rules, could be seen as the four forces of gravity, electromagnetism, weak force, and strong force. Perhaps the only two things I believe that are scientifically unproven are Wyrd and my belief that some element of the personality is passed on in the kin fetch.
    Wita sceal ge■yldig, ne sceal no to hatheort ne to hrŠdwyrde, ne to wac wiga ne to wanhydig, ne to forht ne to fŠgen, ne to feohgifre ne nŠfre gielpes to georn, Šr he geare cunne. Beorn sceal gebidan, ■onne he beot sprice­, o■■Št collenfer­ cunne gearwe hwider hre■ra gehygd hweorfan wille.

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning?

    so, the origin of man in Norse mythology only applies to Germanic peoples?

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    Re: Creation of humans: Rigs■ula or Gylfaginning?

    Originally Posted by Pro-Alpine
    so, the origin of man in Norse mythology only applies to Germanic peoples?
    It’s a good question.

    According to Gylfaginning When Odin, Ve, and Vili, created the first man (Ask) and the first woman (Embla) out of an ash and an elm tree, respectively, Odin breathed into them the spirit of life, Ve gave them hearing and sight, and Vili wits and emotion. They gave them all of Midgard to live in, and so by assumption all races and nations are descended from them.

    There are two ways of looking at this. The first is that the myth has a deep origin in Germanic, maybe pre-Germanic thought. During the Viking Age there was awareness amongst northern European peoples about dark skinned races to the south, namely Arabs, I am unsure if there was any knowledge of the Negro race. So the myth may have originated at a time when the Germanic peoples only had contact with peoples of their own race. It would have been a fair assumption to make that the neighbouring Celts, and Slavs, may have had the same origins. After all there is the possibility that Germanic, Celtic, and Slavic, Gods were recognised in a similar way. The Arabs could have been explained as darker skinned due to the sun. This is only my assumption.

    The second possibility is that the myth was influenced by Christian mythology and the story of Adam and Eve. I personally believe that much of the Eddas were influenced by Christian belief, and I believe that Germanic belief during the Roman Empire and Viking Age may have been influence by Mediterranean paganism, and Christianity. Again this is my opinion, but I don’t see much evidence for idols or temples in early Germanic belief, as just one example. We see the same in early Celtic belief where it was contact with Rome that brought about the idea of physical representations of the Gods. The Celts originally considered it absurd that the Gods could be represented by an idol.
    Wita sceal ge■yldig, ne sceal no to hatheort ne to hrŠdwyrde, ne to wac wiga ne to wanhydig, ne to forht ne to fŠgen, ne to feohgifre ne nŠfre gielpes to georn, Šr he geare cunne. Beorn sceal gebidan, ■onne he beot sprice­, o■■Št collenfer­ cunne gearwe hwider hre■ra gehygd hweorfan wille.

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