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    Re: Ligers and 'hybrid vigour'?

    ... the pre-proto dog of the Palaeocene was a carnovore dog-like Mesonychid. They hunted in packs but this bigger species was more bear like and probably not such a good runner....Its skull alone ( which has been identified) was a metre long. I cant even guess its size but I imagine it was pretty mean!
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    Re: Ligers and 'hybrid vigour'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    Why are people saying ligers are infertile?
    Some of the links above mention further mixes like "li-ligers" and "ti-ligers".
    Pleistocene tigers and lions, especially Panthera atox in the New World, was as large as the liger. In fact, modern Siberian tigers have been weighed at 850 pounds or so. Imagine starting with this stock and cross breeding?
    What are you plotting, Herr Doktor?

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    Re: Ligers and 'hybrid vigour'?

    MALE ligers or tigons are infertile. Females are not but their offspring are more prone to be sickly(giant but still sickly) and get cancer.
    Here is another page on tigon and liger breeding

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    Re: Ligers and 'hybrid vigour'?

    Couldn't resist this new PussyCat story - alas a scan - I don't think its on the net as such . The Tiger in question is raised on Pig's milk - it makes them rather calm it seems , happy enough to then look after three little piglets (those out of Grimm's tale perhaps?) -- so long as they are first dressed up in tiger-like coats!! (-- don't try it without the coats)
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    perhaps they should be raising some of our muslims on the same diet?
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    Re: Ligers and 'hybrid vigour'?

    Sorry to dissuade you but the little fur coats are not nessasary. Here is an expanation .

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    Re: Ligers and 'hybrid vigour'?

    well in the first story, they are wearing their coats. OK ; at least they weren't eaten. Seems to be a Tiger-Pig thing.

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    Re: Ligers and 'hybrid vigour'?

    Another doggie story

    Rottweiler adopts two lambs --- 2Feb07

    Sheepish: lambs play with their new 'mum'....

    They are known for their fearsome reputation, but one Rottweiler is proving there is a softer side to the breed by helping to rear a couple of newborn lambs.
    Molly has been using her maternal instincts to help her owner, farmer Maria Foster, rear two lambs called Lucky and Charm after they were born needing special care.
    Ms Foster, a 38-year-old mother of two from Forden, Welshpool, mid Wales, said drastic action was needed to improve the circulation of the two lambs following a traumatic birth a week ago.

    "We had to put them in the Aga to warm them up, and as soon as we did so, Molly was all over them, licking their faces,'' said Ms Foster.

    "When we got them out of the Aga, Molly was just licking them and doing exactly what a ewe would be doing.
    "The first 12 to 24 hours for a lamb are absolutely crucial and if Molly hadn't been doing what she was doing, I would have had to have been there rubbing the lambs through most of the night to keep their circulation going.
    "She could have ignored them but she didn't and it is quite comical to see.''
    Now the 11-month-old dog is like a mother to the two lambs, who stick closely to their unlikely guardian.
    Ms Foster said: "The cat came into the kitchen the other day and walked over to the bucket where the lambs were sleeping, but Molly pushed her away as if to say 'They are mine'.
    "She will let the sheepdog have a look, but only for so long before she pushes him away as well.''

    Lucky and Charm will spend the next week to 10 days sleeping with Molly in the kitchen before they are strong enough to be put out into the fields.

    Ms Foster said they could not be returned to their mother in the meantime as they would more than likely be rejected by her.

    Ms Foster added: "I've never heard of a Rottweiler looking after lambs before. They get such a bad press, but my argument is that it is not the dogs but the owners that are the problem.
    "I think if they are brought up carefully and properly, then they are fine.''

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    Re: Ligers and 'hybrid vigour'?

    Looks like we're pushing our crap onto other animals now.

    Also one of the big reasons I love lions(Male lions). They just can't get away from their nature to defend their own species. Lionesses might still eat with hyena's or rear other young all of which is rather un-natural to a certain degree, you just don't see it often. But you can always count on the King to sort the problems out, either attacks the lioness, kills the hyena or kills the young that is being "brought up" by the lioness.

    Now we have humans cross-breeding animals like they're cross-breeding "races". How fortunate, as if our ills isn't bad enough for us.

    I couldn't care less if they said it's more common in the wild than in zoo's or not.

    Looks like I can't even give the stupid masses that much anymore. Used to say that at least they care enough to have pure bred horses while advocating sickening things in the human world. Looks like I underestimated their inability to be decent.

    For me personally, it doesn't matter what is being said. I find it repulsive, whether it happens or doesn't happen in the wild.

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