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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    I believe Eugenics is short-cut to a complex problem that eventually goes nowhere.
    There are two forms of Eugenic practice, positive and negative.

    Positive emphasizes health of the pregnant mother, child, environemnt of baby, nutrition, education, etc.

    Negative emphasizes weeding out the junk - truly unviable types (Down's Syndrome, etc) who are merely a burden on their families and society. Ever known a family that has a member with physical difficulties? Carrying the burden/weight of that one loser ruins the dominates the parents for the rest of their lives.
    "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - F. Nietzsche

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    There are two forms of Eugenic practice, positive and negative.

    Positive emphasizes health of the pregnant mother, child, environemnt of baby, nutrition, education, etc.

    Negative emphasizes weeding out the junk - truly unviable types (Down's Syndrome, etc) who are merely a burden on their families and society. Ever known a family that has a member with physical difficulties? Carrying the burden/weight of that one loser ruins the dominates the parents for the rest of their lives.
    So i take it you don't think that holocaust might have been right ? i always thought that getting rid of the weak is good, strong not breeding with those that have disorders and whatnot(weak).

    'German boy, do not forget you are a German,' and, 'Little girl, remember you are to become a German mother.'

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by blut-ehre
    So i take it you don't think that holocaust might have been right ? i always thought that getting rid of the weak is good, strong not breeding with those that have disorders and whatnot(weak).
    The Holocaust (if by that you mean the Nazi systematic extermination of Jews) is a separate issue. Jews were sent to camps regardless of physical condition.

    Perhaps you misunderstand my use of the terms "positive" and "negative." By "Positive" I mean "promoting certain elements or qualities" - and by "negative" I mean "eliminating certain elements or qualities."
    "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - F. Nietzsche

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    The Holocaust (if by that you mean the Nazi systematic extermination of Jews) is a separate issue. Jews were sent to camps regardless of physical condition.

    Perhaps you misunderstand my use of the terms "positive" and "negative." By "Positive" I mean "promoting certain elements or qualities" - and by "negative" I mean "eliminating certain elements or qualities."
    I understand the difference between positive and negative... but i am wondering why you put the second one as negative and the first one as positive , must mean that you prefer the first over the second...I did mix the two a little such as the pormotion of a distinct quality in races and destroying other bad qualities to promote those good qualities.... but i figure good is practically that not including the destruction of other elements.

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by blut-ehre
    I understand the difference between positive and negative... but i am wondering why you put the second one as negative and the first one as positive , must mean that you prefer the first over the second...I did mix the two a little such as the pormotion of a distinct quality in races and destroying other bad qualities to promote those good qualities.... but i figure good is practically that not including the destruction of other elements.
    No, you do not understand the difference between "positive" and "negative" - they are not synonyms for "good" and "bad." Please, get a dictionary and understand what these words really mean before further posting on this subject.
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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    No, you do not understand the difference between "positive" and "negative" - they are not synonyms for "good" and "bad." Please, get a dictionary and understand what these words really mean before further posting on this subject.
    mm---
    good ][ Being positive or desirable in nature; not bad or poor: a good experience; good news from the hospital. ][

    positive ][ Characterized by or displaying certainty, acceptance, or affirmation: a positive answer; positive criticism. ][

    bad ][ Being further from a standard; less desirable or satisfactory ][

    negative ][ Expressing, containing, or consisting of a negation, refusal, or denial: gave a negative answer to our request. ][

    I see good as a positive thing , only positive things as more of a attitude that's implied to be good, the opposite with bad and negative ... bad being a negative (teheh) thing and negative being a attitude that's implied to be bad.

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by blut-ehre
    mm---
    positive ][ Characterized by or displaying certainty, acceptance, or affirmation: a positive answer; positive criticism. ][

    negative ][ Expressing, containing, or consisting of a negation, refusal, or denial: gave a negative answer to our request. ][
    Ignore definitions of good and bad. Please re-read and understand the precise and specific meanings of what you've posted above. There is a specific meaning of positive and negative that you are not fully understanding (in the logical sense - not the vague, subjective ethical sense).
    "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - F. Nietzsche

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    Ignore definitions of good and bad. Please re-read and understand the precise and specific meanings of what you've posted above. There is a specific meaning of positive and negative that you are not fully understanding (in the logical sense - not the vague, subjective ethical sense).
    mm .. well logical and ethical - they intermix with eachother on certain levels | this is after all a opinionated matter on ethics and logics but these two in general are very random unless you narrow them down.

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by blut-ehre
    mm .. well logical and ethical - they intermix with eachother on certain levels | this is after all a opinionated matter on ethics and logics but these two in general are very random unless you narrow them down.
    They are not random. Kid, you are not understanding what I'm saying in clear, plain English.

    I give up. Illiterate people like this are the future of America??

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    They are not random. Kid, you are not understanding what I'm saying in clear, plain English.

    I give up. Illiterate people like this are the future of America??

    *gasp* then maybe you'd like to explain to me the clear meaning of what you're trying to say ?

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