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    Post Sparta, the First National Socialist State

    http://www.channel4.com/history/micr.../spartans.html

    This site holds some misinformation, but in all is very good for information on sparta.


    http://www.laconia.org/Sparti_introduction.htm

    better for the life of the spartan.

    http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/GREECE/SPARTA.HTM

    o.k site...

    anyway , i think sparta and nazi germany ran nearly parallel to eachother, you will notice many of the things the spartans had done, the nazis did. Sometime on the history channel in fact i heard that hitler wanted to run his reich as the spartans did theirs. That would as well explain why he rather have had every German parish than losing the war without heroic deeds.

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    I don't think fudge packing & man-boy love is part of the Germanic spirit.

    If my history is incorrect please feel free to correct me.
    The Spartan citizens were a minority in their nation and the slave class was the majority. Slaves were frequently murdered in order to keep this majority in order. Who would the Germans keep as slaves? Poles? Spartans were definitely bad ass warriors, but I wouldn't want to base my country on some ancient city-state that had bad food, open buttlove, and a majority of slaves.

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryPotato
    I don't think fudge packing & man-boy love is part of the Germanic spirit.

    If my history is incorrect please feel free to correct me.
    The Spartan citizens were a minority in their nation and the slave class was the majority. Slaves were frequently murdered in order to keep this majority in order. Who would the Germans keep as slaves? Poles? Spartans were definitely bad ass warriors, but I wouldn't want to base my country on some ancient city-state that had bad food, open buttlove, and a majority of slaves.
    lovely post lol .. they were the minority due to the only fact that their slaves out numbered them. It is said that the children in their training when they were teens murdered the slaves in secrecy at night... I didn't have much to think about when it came to the slave part except for the enslaving jews and putting them in camps ? Adolf Hitler looked towards other reasons for defining his state obviously not for those reasons - besides germany has good food, good women, and 'free' people always has , hopefully the immigrants leave and it always will tehehe sorry

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Excellent links on Sparta, blut-ehre.

    It is a common misconception that Sparta tolerated homosexuality - there is NO evidence for that. Indeed, the Spartan ethos is antipathical to the tolerance of homosexuality seen in other Greek states of the time.

    Slavery was a fact of life throughout the ancient world, Sparta was not unusual in that. Nietzsche would point out that whereas in the ancient world some were bond and some were free, in the Modern world ALL are slaves.

    And it is the ETHOS of Sparta that influenced National Socialism [rather than a parallel imitation]. Look at the ideas of Lycurgus and then compare them to Plato's Republic; that latter work had a strong bearing on the N-S conception of the State.
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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Other than their brutal Eugenic practices among other things, I mostly admire the Spartans.

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    Other than their brutal Eugenic practices among other things, I mostly admire the Spartans.
    I don't like too much about the Spartans, but their brutal Eugenic practices sound like a redeeming value to me.
    "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - F. Nietzsche

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    I don't like too much about the Spartans, but their brutal Eugenic practices sound like a redeeming value to me.
    I really don't find that funny; what they did to those babies was horrible!

    I admire their military prowess, their discipline, and such. I believe in a Christian Sparta(note: I don't want to hear any Nietzschean nonsense that this is not possible).

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    I really don't find that funny; what they did to those babies was horrible!

    I admire their military prowess, their discipline, and such. I believe in a Christian Sparta(note: I don't want to hear any Nietzschean nonsense that this is not possible).
    Of course its possible - if you are intent on always having things both-ways at once!
    Pacifist warmonger, chivalrous misogynist!

    'Christs may come and Christs may go, but Caesar lives forever!'
    [Might Is Right, Ragnar Redbeard].

    And what 'nonsense' doth Nietzsche speak?
    Could it be that this saint in the forest hath not heard that 'God is dead'?
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Of course its possible - if you are intent on always having things both-ways at once!
    Whatever!

    Pacifist warmonger,
    I'm not a pacifist and never said I was.

    chivalrous misogynist!
    And how is that a contradiction?

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    Post Re: Nazi Germany & Spartan Greece

    Pushkin; "I'm not a pacifist and never said I was".

    Moody; I didn't say you were either; I was referring to your concept of a Christian Sparta.
    There is also a contradiction between your recent avowal of the Futurist "scorn for woman", and your recent chivalry list which promotes "respect for woman".
    And you were saying of "Nietzschean nonsense"?
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