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    Lightbulb Re: This Thread For: ANY AND ALL THINGS RELATING TO ICELANDERS

    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    Of course, what was I thinking? Clearly, Iceland's success has nothing to do with the calibre of people living there, and Africa would be a thriving hotbed of economic activity if it weren't for the evil IMF.



    Never said that Icelanders lack ingenuity and industriousness, because they surely deserve part of the credit, but not all of it. Third Worlders are being hampered by many forces outside of their control. There are many important factors that do not create an even playing field, and must say that the Icelanders are on the lucky and favoured side.


    What I said about the IMF and the pro-Western favouritism is very much true.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin Of Ossetia
    Third Worlders are being hampered by many forces outside of their control. There are many important factors that do not create an even playing field, and must say that the Icelanders are on the lucky and favoured side.


    What I said about the IMF and the pro-Western favouritism is very much true.
    Yes, but these African countries will invariably place exclusive blame for their problems on the IMF, neo- colonialism, etc. The fact is, though, that all African countries are plagued by corruption, nepotism, and incompetence - as well as a tendency to flirt with half-baked ideas about socialism - and all of these things are fundamental factors that make them the wretched hell-holes that they are. Look at what Mugabe is doing in Zembabwe - or what Mbeki is doing more gradually in South Africa. These people have a culture of corruption, and simply do not and very likely never will understand or be capable of adhering to the cultural and institutional elements it takes to build a successful society.

    If the Icelanders did not possess very different cultural values from the Africans - values that are rooted in their heritage - they would not be anywhere near as successful as they are today. Yes, they've had some help from foreigners, but in general countries must bear primary responsibility for their own condition, especially after more than five decades of independence. The contrast between Iceland and Africa speaks for itself, in my view.

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    Lightbulb Re: This Thread For: ANY AND ALL THINGS RELATING TO ICELANDERS

    Don't know what kind of a problem you see with the following:



    1) Mugabe - he rules Zimbabwe for about a quarter of a century already, and he has done a pretty good job. About his recent farm policies, imagine Serbs owning 85% of Bosnia-Hercegovina, and the West supporting it!


    2) Half-baked Socialism? Besides not knowing what this is about, don't forget that the most wreatched, corrupt, least developed, and poverty stricken countries in the world are Capitalist!


    3) There can be some "help" from foreigners, and there can also be a great deal of dis-help - Western-sponsored coups, interventions, blockades, civil wars, separatism and terrorism. Iceland experienced none of it.



    This page should be educative:


    http://wolnapolska.boom.ru/index-Milosevic.html




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    Post Re: This Thread For: ANY AND ALL THINGS RELATING TO ICELANDERS

    Quote Originally Posted by Odin Of Ossetia
    Don't know what kind of a problem you see with the following:

    1) Mugabe - he rules Zimbabwe for about a quarter of a century already, and he has done a pretty good job. About his recent farm policies, imagine Serbs owning 85% of Bosnia-Hercegovina, and the West supporting it!
    Oddly, when I did a search for Zimbabwe + Misrule on Yahoo, it generated 31,600 hits. Here is one of them:

    http://allafrica.com/stories/200406281066.html

    And a quote from that article:

    "[U]ntil recently, Zimbabwe was a force for stability and prosperity in the region...Today...Zimbabwe is in a state of worsening political, economic and humanitarian crisis caused by its government's misrule in pursuit of absolute power. This crisis...has triggered political restiveness, popular dissent, human rights abuses, economic collapse, food shortages and environmental degradation."

    It's clear that Zimbabwe once had good infrastructure and institutions - dating from the time when it was Rhodesia. Mugabe preserved this infrastructure for awhile, but is now hell-bent on destroying it. All too typical, I'm afraid.

    2) Half-baked Socialism? Besides not knowing what this is about, don't forget that the most wreatched, corrupt, least developed, and poverty stricken countries in the world are Capitalist!
    Let's see:

    World's Poorest Countries, 2003

    UN list of least developed countries

    Afghanistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kiribati, Lao People's Democratic Republic, Lesotho, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Rwanda, Samoa, Sao Tome and Principe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sudan, Togo, Tuvalu, Uganda, Tanzania, Vanuatu, Yemen, Zambia.

    http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0908763.html

    Most of these countries either presently flirt with, or at some time in the past have flirted with socialist ideas about central-planning and/or collectivised agriculture. Such schemes really only function as a method of facilitating corruption, since they mean that nothing can be done without obtaining a permit from some bureaucrat - which is only available in exchange for a bribe.

    Calling these countries 'capitalist' is surely misleading; their economies are not developed enough to merit the term. They are not properly 'socialist' either, but they have flirted with socialist ideas to their detriment.


    3) There can be some "help" from foreigners, and there can also be a great deal of dis-help - Western-sponsored coups, interventions, blockades, civil wars, separatism and terrorism. Iceland experienced none of it.
    I'll grant you that. But my point is these African countries have many deeply-rooted causes of their problems that have little to do with outside influences on them.

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    And the above are nothing more than samples of Western subtly White-supremacist propaganda. There's no denying it.


    Anglo-Saxon Whites of Zimbabwe only make up 1% percent of that country's population, yet they own 85% of land; a situation that obviously does not make any sense.

    The Serbs used to hold something like around 60% of Bosnia-Hercegovina, and they were something like around 30% of its population - the Anglo-Saxon-led NATO bombed them in order to make the land distribution there more even.


    Then, just what are we supposed to say of Zimbabwe?!


    Thank's to Mugabe's quarter-of-a-century long rule, Zimbabwe is one of the richest countries in Africa - the list you gave does not even feature it.



    There is a venomous Western-inspired propaganda war going on against the government of Zimbabwe, and it also has targeted Socialism in general. Vast majority of the world's poorest countries are purely Capitalist, and there is no denying of that - Socialism has nothing to do with their poverty, but Capitalism does.



    Again check this link:


    http://wolnapolska.boom.ru/index-Milosevic.html
    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

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    I know a little bit about Iceland.


    One nonsensical notion that I would like to dispel, insinuated by telperion, is that some people there are this and that and other something else. Icelanders are literally just a big family, all Icelanders being related within 10 generation - a genealogical fact. It is not possible to make any group distinction between them and no one there would take that seriously.

    Another thing is the genetic origins. And the truth is that it remains upp to debate. Obviously it is a bit simplistic to say that Icelanders are more red haired than Norwegians ( they are ) because of immigrants from the Brittish Isles. Norwegians have recieved immigrants from Finland and Germany hence less red hair.

    There is a genetic illnes which the Icelanders call 'Vikingakrumla'. It didn't exist at the time of Jesus from Nasareth but came to existance via a mutation that occured in Scandinavia in the fifth or sixth century. Just like you cant have sicle cell without negro ancestry you cant have it without Scandinavian ancestry. Today it is commonst in Iceland followed by Scandinavia. Tat-C is found in Norway but not Iceland because it hadn't arrived in Norway in 930.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin Of Ossetia
    Thank's to Mugabe's quarter-of-a-century long rule, Zimbabwe is one of the richest countries in Africa - the list you gave does not even feature it.
    Yes, it is one of the most prosperous countries in Africa, though that's not saying very much. The question is, in what direction is it headed? Towards growth, or decline?

    The answer is that over the past three or four years, it has been going downhill fast, as indicated in the article I posted. That is the fault of Mugabe's policies, designed to enrich himself and his cronies at the expense of everyone else in the country, and entrench their political power.

    Socialism has nothing to do with their poverty, but Capitalism does.
    That's an absurd claim, and I notice you didn't bother to offer any arguments in support of it.

    Socialism has quite a lot to do with their poverty, for the reasons I indicated above. I suggest you thoroughly research the history of developing countries over the past five decades before you reach any conclusions on the subject. If you still hold to your current conclusions after doing that, then start another thread and we can debate this issue there.
    Last edited by Telperion; Tuesday, July 13th, 2004 at 05:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Preservationist
    One nonsensical notion that I would like to dispel, insinuated by telperion, is that some people there are this and that and other something else. Icelanders are literally just a big family, all Icelanders being related within 10 generation - a genealogical fact. It is not possible to make any group distinction between them and no one there would take that seriously.
    If you read my post again, you can see clearly my meaning was that Icelanders have varying phenotypes, from those most people would think of as 'Celtic' to those people would think of as more Scandinavian (although those aren't technical terms in racial anthropology). I visited Iceland for several weeks, and based on what I saw there is no question this is the case.

    Obviously, the Icelanders are closely related genotypically. I never said they weren't.

    Without meaning to overgeneralize I would say Icelanders are intelligent and frank but nobody and no place is perfect.
    I never said it was perfect. Food and gasoline are too expensive, there is so much fish in their diet that it becomes monotonous, and the summer is too cold. But I was trying to emphasize their positive points.
    Last edited by Telperion; Tuesday, July 13th, 2004 at 05:21 AM. Reason: Adding italics to drive the point home.

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    So what if they differ in looks? That is how every family is.
    the characters do not make the genus, but the genus gives the characters -- Linnaeus

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Preservationist
    So what if they differ in looks? That is how every family is.
    Indeed, but it's not clear to me why you apparently find it offensive for me to point this out.

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