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    Exclamation Probable ancestors of Hungarian ethnic groups

    Probable ancestors of Hungarian ethnic groups: an admixture analysis

    C. R. GUGLIELMINO1, A. DE SILVESTRI2 and J. BERES3


    The history of Hungary starts in the 9th century with the arrival of the Magyars in the Carpathian Basin. They spoke, like modern Hungarians, an Uralic language belonging to the Finno-Ugric language group. Their original composition probably included Iranian and Turkish people, while other populations were already present in the territory (Avars, Slavs, Germans). Some of the Hungarian ethnic groups claim to be descendants of ancient Magyars settlers (such as the Örség), others of Huns, Turks or Iranians. We collected and compared the previously published gene frequencies of eight ethnic groups and seven hypothetical ancestral populations, including Uralics, applying a model of admixture. The results, most of which confirm historical hypotheses or the oral tradition, show that only one ethnic group (Örség) highly resembles the Uralic population.

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    Post Re: Probable ancestors of Hungarian ethnic groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    Probable ancestors of Hungarian ethnic groups: an admixture analysis

    C. R. GUGLIELMINO1, A. DE SILVESTRI2 and J. BERES3


    The history of Hungary starts in the 9th century with the arrival of the Magyars in the Carpathian Basin. They spoke, like modern Hungarians, an Uralic language belonging to the Finno-Ugric language group. Their original composition probably included Iranian and Turkish people, while other populations were already present in the territory (Avars, Slavs, Germans). Some of the Hungarian ethnic groups claim to be descendants of ancient Magyars settlers (such as the Örség), others of Huns, Turks or Iranians. We collected and compared the previously published gene frequencies of eight ethnic groups and seven hypothetical ancestral populations, including Uralics, applying a model of admixture. The results, most of which confirm historical hypotheses or the oral tradition, show that only one ethnic group (Örség) highly resembles the Uralic population.
    Fascinating information.
    My question to you is, with the language relationship to the Finns (who peopled Sweden and other Scandinavian areas to some extent, according to my research), how do you see the relationship between the Magyars & Finns. More specifically, when would they have split-off.
    Also, Attila's Huns, who were in this area at the end of the Roman Empire, approximately 300-400 AD, what of them in 'modern Hungary', which you see as starting in the 9th century. Do you believe that a remnant of Attila's group were still in the area, or had they left with the invasions of Italy & the Mediterranean by the Goths, Visigoths, and other tribes from the northern and eastern frontiers of Rome?
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    Post Re: Probable ancestors of Hungarian ethnic groups

    Quote Originally Posted by old aryan
    Fascinating information.

    Also, Attila's Huns, who were in this area at the end of the Roman Empire, approximately 300-400 AD, what of them in 'modern Hungary', which you see as starting in the 9th century. Do you believe that a remnant of Attila's group were still in the area, or had they left with the invasions of Italy & the Mediterranean by the Goths, Visigoths, and other tribes from the northern and eastern frontiers of Rome?



    as we can read in the full article :






    ``The SzeUkely (Seklers), living in Transylvania,
    with a major group in Bukovina (Rumania),
    consider themselves Hungarian and claim to be
    the descendants of the Huns. They represent the
    largest minority in Europe (3 million people).
    During the 11th±12th centuries Sze!kely settled
    in what is known today as Sze!kely Land to
    withstand Pecheneng and Kun attacks, as they
    were mainly soldiers. In 1941 a group of Sze!kely
    moved to the Ba!cska region and then, after
    World War II, Serbian partisans and the Soviet
    army invaded the region and pushed them into
    Hungary.``


    ``CsaUngoU and SzeUkely seem to have a similar
    genetic pool, which could be composed mainly of
    Iranian, but also of Turkish and Finnish genes.
    Sze!kely are related to the Iranians (M Ż0.73),
    Turks (M Ż0.24) and less to the Finns (M Ż
    0.08).
    It is known that a fragment of Huns, four
    hundred years after the disintegration of the
    Hunnic Empire, joined the conquering Magyars
    as a related people. However, neither Hunnic nor
    an alternative origin has yet been supported by
    evidence.
    ``

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