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    Confusion about my Racial Evaluation

    I asked HELLSTAR to do a racial evaluation of me a few weeks ago. His final conclusion, after consulting with others, is that I am dinaric with a little meditteranean. Dinarics are supposed to be a blend of meditteranean and alpine and have short faces and slim builds.

    "The skull is both small faced and short headed. The back of the head scarcely rises above the neck."

    "There is one dominant set of characters which pervades the Dinaric group; high brachycephaly, nasal convexity, occipital flattening, and a tendency toward the attenuation of extremities"

    I am slim, but my face is long, so wouldn't that make me mainly mediterranean or nordic or a combination thereof? My nose is straight, not convex. I am meso or dolichocephalic. Also, I have green eyes and had blonde hair when I was young. If I am completely non-nordish how is that possible?!?! I think I have a dianric build, which I get from my mom's side, but my face/head is obviously not dianric in my opinion. The only dinaric I see in myself (based on what I have read) is "below the neck." Could I get a second opinion or multiple opinions?

    (Both quotes from http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...1/dinaric.html)
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    Post Basic Pic

    This is me on 4-20 with Dr. Pierce. My face is not short.
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    Post Another basic pic

    This is me on 8-24 at the concert following the D.C. rally.

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    Post My nose

    My nose is not convex: it is straight.
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    Post My head

    Certainly the bulge in the back of my head indicates significant atlanto-meditteranean and/or nordic ancestry. I am not brachycephalic.
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    Post Baby pic

    I am on the viewer's left (holding the paper), that is my brother with me. I must have a significant amount of nordish (peripheral or central) on both sides of my family.
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    Post Epihany: A new angle of looking at this!

    If you mix A and B, then filter out B, then you are left with A.

    Fact: Dinarics are a mix of alpine and atlanto-meditteranean.
    Fact: HELLSTAR said several times in PMs that he sees no evidence for any alpine in me.
    Fact: The final verdict that HELLSTAR gave for me is dinaric and med with some nordic features.

    It is very possible that I have dinaric ancestry on my mom's mom side (I showed HELLSTAR a picture of my mom and told him that she is 100% German, and that led him and others to say dinaric as opposed to a peripheral nordish group), but if the alpine part of my dinaric ancestry has been bred out because of my other three grandparents (one was meditteranean and the other two of various nordish groups in my opinion), then why call me partially dinaric? Going by what HELLSTAR said about there being no visible alpine traits in my appearance, and my own concurrence with that opinion, logic would dictate that I am an atlanto-meditteranean (some of it "pure" and some of it "extracted" from the dianric)/nordic mix by appearance and by ancestry as well of course. That is what I have been saying all along. I guess maybe there is some confusion over what one is by his/her ancestry and what one is by his/her appearance, the latter being a subset of the former. I think I may have dinaric ancestry, but I don't think I am dinaric in appearance, at least "above the neck."

    P.S.: Sorry if it seems like I have been thinking out loud up until now. Second opinions are still welcome.
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    In my opinion, it looks like you also have some Anglo-saxon or Keltic influence. Your hair as blond as mine has ever been (but my brother had white blond), and I am called mainly Nordic, East Baltic and Brünn.

    Sometimes the coloring though can be misleading..........It doesn't always reflect your ancestry. I see the anglo-saxon or keltic in your facial features (you look like a typical englishman) not your hair or eye color. But from what I heard, kelts have the highest percentage of green eyes.


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    Well my first thoughts when I saw you Von Braun was Dinaric/ Atlantic one way or the other. your most dominant feature is Dinaric as well as in your personality. If we have to make a raw categorisation I wouldn't call you 100% non Nordic, but rather periphery Nordic, I consulted with someone else and was told the Med element was dominant alittle more than I so far thought of it!

    And you are not correct about average high Brachyhalic conditions within the Dinaric genepoll at all.

    So: Dinaric/Med with some Nordic traits.

    And No I dont see any Alpine in you really. Im not buying this theory that Dinarics should solely originate from Meds/Alpines. I have some private theories about that (mainly empirical)

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    Okay, so dinarics are not alpine. That clears up that confusion. But still, why do some sources say that this is the case?

    What about my personality is dinaric?

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