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    Jewish Origin of the Habsburgs

    I read recently in an article from 1998 and posted on a Hungarian website that when the 4th edition of the respected Meyers Konversationslexikon was printed in 1887 the Habsburgs got their panties in a bunch and bought the whole print and supposedly pulped it. Since then this edition has come into the public domain again and it's now apparent why the Habsburgs were so eager trying to suppress it. In Meyers it is written that the Habsburg royal family descended from the Roman Jewish family of Pierleoni or Pierleone.

    Meyers Konversationslexikon states on page 987:

    The bloodline of the Habsburgs is by the dynasty's later historians from the 13th and 14th centuries derived from the Pierleone family, from which came one pope, Anacletus II., in the 12th century.[Some historians consider Anacletus II. an anti-pope to Innocent II., some vice versa./Turul] To this version of the Habsburg ancestry comes further attempts to derive the bloodline all the way from either the Anicius or Scipio families, depending on the historian, while if truth be told the Roman Pierleone dynasty had Jewish origin."

    From reading the work of medieval historian Ferdinand Gregorovius, History of the City of Rome in the Middle Ages (first published 1854 in German) we find out the following:

    The Jews of Rome have lived in their closed off ghettos since the time of Pompey the Great in the part of the city called Trastevere under deplorable conditions. During the 8th and 9th centuries they managed to grab some amount of power due to Jews being the best doctors and money changers (bankers) of Rome. Under pope Leo IX. the foremost financial adviser and its biggest giver of credit to the papacy. On the request form the pope this extraordinarily power-hungry Jewish banker converted to Catholicism and received the name Benedictus Christianus. The pope christened his own son himself, naming him after himself, Leo. The converted Jewish banker's son Leo thus got access to the road to power. He gave his daughters in marriage to the most noble Roman families and he himself, allied himself to Hildebrand and the reform popes, as Gregorovius writes, "by way of his renegade fanaticism and clever calculation". His son was christened with the name Petrus Leonis – in Italian: Pierleone. This Pierleone, who gave name to the entire following family (bloodline) and who was the grandson of the Jewish banker wielded extraordinary political influence and power. Pope Urban II. entrusted to him, among other tasks, the commanding of the defence of the Castel Sant Angelo. Thus the grandson of the Jewish banker became the military guard and protector of the pope, as well as the creditor. This pope died in the castle of Pierleone. Naturally the descendants of the pope worked to win the "protection" – Gregorovius uses this word – but the people hated Pierleone whom they considered a usurper, while the nobility hated him as a parvenu.

    Gregorovius further writes:

    The friendship of the popes, the light of the family connections, the money and power of the Pierleone dynasty quickly cast such a shadow over future Pierleone generations and their Jewish origins, that soon they were considered and became famous as one of the city's most noble ducal bloodlines. Already since the time of Leo (the son of the Jewish banker) they used the title consul Romanorum ("Consul of the Romans") with such natural pride as if they were the oldest of patricians. The Pierleone dynasty were in constant hostilities with the Frangipani because they, out of selfishness and hate,[sic] were Ghibellines and took the side of the emperor, while the Pierleone themselves were the leaders of the papal (Guelf) side. Both competing sides had their own progenitor called Leo and both bloodlines flowered during the same period."

    (For more on the Pierleone/Pierleoni bloodline: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/vi...d=307&letter=P )

    Now, I've read a few articles and comments on this forum about purity of blood and being "100% Germanic" and the like. With one of Europe's leading royal families, the Habsburgs, generally assumed to be 100% Germanic now exposed by the respected Meyers Konversationslexikon to have descended from a powerful Jewish bloodline which includes a pope, Anacletus II (some say anti-pope), how pure can one consider to be the blood of the "Germanic" Habsburg bloodline?

    A last twist in the tale is that according to Gregorovius the (anti-)pope Innocent II. was also of Jewish descent and from Trastevere, too. When Innocent II. had to flee from Anacletus II. he retreated to the "towers of his one-time brothers-in-faith of Trastevere."



    The source text is here:

    987

    Habsburg.

    des 10. Jahrh. genannten Grafen Liutfried zurückzuführen, welcher sich in ältern Urkunden der Abtei St. Trudpert im Schwarzwald als Wohlthäter derselben genannt findet und ein Abkömmling jenes Geschlechts der Etichonen sein mochte, welche im 8. Jahrh. Herzöge von Elsaß waren (s. Auswahl Elsaß-Lothringen, S. 578). Indessen hielt man keineswegs an dieser Ahnenreihe fest. Spätere Geschichtschreiber des Hauses leiteten im 13. und 14. Jahrh. die Abstammung der Habsburger von der römischen Familie der Pierleoni her, aus welcher im 12. Jahrh. auch ein Papst, Anaklet II., stammte. An diese Abstammung reihte sich dann alsbald der Versuch, die Ahnenreihe der Habsburger bis zu den altrömischen Aniciern oder, wie andre wollten, zu den Scipionen hinaufzuleiten, während in Wahrheit die römischen Pierleoni jüdischer Abkunft waren.

    The complete text is here:
    http://susi.e-technik.uni-ulm.de:808..._b7_s0987.html

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    Re: Jewish Origin of the Habsburgs

    The male line of the Habsburgs died out on the 18th century. The Habsburgs heiress married Francis Stephen of Lorraine," the House of Lorraine supposedly being descended from Merovee," their descendents being the House of Habsburg-Lorraine. But according to "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" the Merovingians are suppose to be a Davidic bloodline, descended from Christ.

    I remember reading that many of the old aristocratic families of Europe were descended from Jewish and/or Venetian banking families. I think they're called the "Black Nobility".
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    Re: Jewish Origin of the Habsburgs

    Yeah, I read about that too.

    I have it from a fairly reliable source that even though it is made to look like the Habsburgs were and are a very highly distinguished and powerful dynasty and that the Hungarians were made stronger with the Double Monarchy, the real reason for the Habsburgs to ally themselves with the Hungarian royals was the opposite, namely, the pedigree of the Hungarian royals was more noble and was considered more important and strong than the Habsburg one, for some to me unknown reason. There is something highly significant about the Magyar royal bloodline of Árpád and his descendants that I suspect is being suppressed...it must be for a good reason.

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    Re: Jewish Origin of the Habsburgs

    I wonder, has there ever been a study on the Y chromosome of royals & aristocrats in Europe? It would be interesting to know where they descend from in antiquity.

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    Re: Jewish Origin of the Habsburgs

    Quote Originally Posted by Madoc View Post
    The male line of the Habsburgs died out on the 18th century. The Habsburgs heiress married Francis Stephen of Lorraine,"
    Here's the pedigree of this Franz, going back to the 800s;
    http://fabpedigree.com/s074/f812638.htm
    the House of Lorraine supposedly being descended from Merovee," their descendents being the House of Habsburg-Lorraine.
    The above link doesn't get beyond the Herzogs of Metz, and earlier Eifelgau, but to fill such posts in the Frankish Empire may well have been left to lesser cousins of the main line of the Merovings.

    WHere exactly is this Eifel place? Ah, just looked on the map - it's a hilly land west of the Rhine, north of Metz and Lothringen, seemingly a continuation of the Ardennes, and just west of Koeln [connected to it by one of the longest aqueducts in the Imperivm, no less!]. Right in the heartland of the earliest Frankish Kingdoms. That may imply a great age to the nobles there?
    But according to "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" the Merovingians are suppose to be a Davidic bloodline, descended from Christ.

    I remember reading that many of the old aristocratic families of Europe were descended from Jewish and/or Venetian banking families. I think they're called the "Black Nobility".
    That's played up far too much.

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    The Habsburgs were suppose to come from Switzerland. The name Habsburg came from their castle there. But in anycase, the last Habsburg, Charles VI, died in 1740. His daughter, Maria Therea, married Francis of Lorraine who assumed the Habsburg name & arms in addition to his ow. The descendents of Francis & Maria Theresa were the House of Habsburg-Lorraine or Habsburg und Lothringen in German, though popularly just called Habsburg. Just which part of the dynasty is suppose to be of Jewish origin, the Habsburg or Lorraine branch?

    According to "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", the House of Lorraine is suppose to be of Merovingian origin.

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    Reminds me about the other fairytales like that Hitler was Jewish aswell....

    I dont believe these stories. Just crap if you ask me.

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    Yep, ridiculous grasping, real historians don't set out to prove something using tenuous evidence, they let sources lead them to the best conclusion they can find.

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    Considering the method of which the theocratical priests in Jewish decided on who is and isn't Jewish, a lot of the Ashkenazi jews are simply watered down mediteranians and is simply a title that allows them to have a racial identity outside of the restrictions of political correctness like their western brothers. The best way to pick out an orthodox jew however is that they tend to take on a biblical first name and a last name taken from host culture's language that often denotes wealth or land. I have seen, Israelson, McDaniel and Nordberg for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leof View Post
    The best way to pick out an orthodox jew however is that they tend to take on a biblical first name and a last name taken from host culture's language that often denotes wealth or land. I have seen, Israelson, McDaniel and Nordberg for instance.
    A lot of people from Christian families have biblical 1st names, Last name is the best identifier of jews. I have noticed though that Jews often choose Scottish last names as 1st names: Murray, Morris, Glenn, Ross, Arthur, Allen, etc
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