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    European Hindus Oppose German call for Swastika Ban

    European Hindus oppose German call for swastika ban

    LONDON (Reuters) - Hindus in Europe are joining forces to oppose German calls for a law across the European Union banning the display of Nazi symbols, saying the swastika symbolizes peace and not hate.

    Hindus in Britain, the Netherlands, Belgium, France and Italy plan to visit each EU member state, European Commission leaders and members of the European Parliament to garner support for a pressure group intended to resist the German move.

    Germany plans to use its presidency of the EU to launch an initiative which could lead to common laws across the bloc making it a crime to deny genocide and display Nazi symbols.

    "The swastika has been around for 5,000 years as a symbol of peace. This is exactly the opposite of how it was used by Hitler," said Ramesh Kallidai of the Hindu Forum of Britain.

    "It is almost like saying that the Klu Klux Klan used burning crosses to terrorize black men, so therefore let us ban the cross. How does that sound to you?"

    The European umbrella group of Hindus plans to launch in the European Parliament in May.

    The swastika, the symbol of Hitler's Nazi Party, is banned in Germany, which assumed the EU's six-month rotating presidency on January 1. In Hindu tradition, it is one of the religion's most sacred symbols of peace.

    Germany, alarmed by a rise in far-right crime, wants to harmonize the rules for punishing offenders in member states.

    "In Germany the fight against racism and xenophobia is both an historic duty and a current political concern," Germany's Justice Ministry said, laying out its plans earlier this month.

    Kallidai said Germany's initiative was probably well-meaning but there had been no consultations.

    "Every time we see a swastika symbol in a Jewish cemetery, that of course must be condemned. But when the symbol is used in a Hindu wedding, people should learn to respect that," he told Reuters.

    "In Sanskrit it means May Goodness Prevail. Just because Hitler misused the symbol, abused it and used it to propagate a reign of terror and racism and discrimination, it does not mean that its peaceful use should be banned."

    By Paul Majendie
    Reuters
    Tuesday, January 16, 2007; 11:30 AM
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    Re: European Hindus oppose German call for swastika ban

    That is an excellent article. I like the idea of the swastika being defended by Hindus. It was theirs long before Hitler was interested in it. He tarnished it but it is still a good symbol that should get some respect.
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    Sv: Re: European Hindus oppose German call for swastika ban

    I must say I think it's quite "weird". I can understand (of course without supporting it) from a "liberal democratic antirasist" perspective that you would want to ban certain instigation against ethnicities & races, and maybe even some obvious political symbols like "88", but religious symbols? Runes!? It's ridiculous to say the least.

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    Re: European Hindus oppose German call for swastika ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ladybright View Post
    That is an excellent article. I like the idea of the swastika being defended by Hindus. It was theirs long before Hitler was interested in it. He tarnished it but it is still a good symbol that should get some respect.
    Ladybright, although the swastika is revered in Hindu tradition, it has also been a symbol of significance for Zoroastrians, Kalash people, Buddhists, Native Americans, Pre-Christian Europe, and probably more.

    Last edited by Siegfried; Saturday, January 20th, 2007 at 02:55 PM.

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    Hindus Opposing EU Swastika Ban

    Hindus in Europe have joined forces against a German proposal to ban the display of the swastika across the European Union, a Hindu leader said.

    Ramesh Kallidai of the Hindu Forum of Britain said the swastika had been a symbol of peace for thousands of years before the Nazis adopted it.

    He said a ban on the symbol would discriminate against Hindus.

    Germany, holder of the EU presidency, wants to make Holocaust denial and the display of Nazi symbols a crime.

    Mr Kallidai said his organisation was writing to European lawmakers to highlight the issue.

    Hindu groups in Holland, Belgium and Italy were also involved in the campaign, he said.

    "The swastika has been around for 5,000 years as a symbol of peace," he said. "This is exactly the opposite of how it was used by Hitler."

    He said that while the Nazi implications of the symbol should be condemned, people should respect the Hindu use of the swastika.

    "Just because Hitler misused the symbol, abused it and used it to propagate a reign of terror and racism and discrimination, it does not mean that its peaceful use should be banned."

    The group said banning the swastika was equivalent to banning the cross simply because the Ku Klux Klan had used burning crosses.

    The swastika is already banned in Germany. A previous attempt to ban it across the EU in early 2005 failed after objections from several governments, including the British.

    Germany took over the six-month EU presidency on 1 January.

    Source: BBC NEWS

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    Hindus oppos[e] EU swastika ban

    It seems to me that the Nazi swastika is the mirror image of the Hindu swastika. If this is true, it should be emphasized, indicating that the Hindu swastika is NOT the symbol used by the Nazis and therefore not involved in any ban on the latter.

    BTW, the cross which was originally burnt by the Ku Klux Klan was the St. Andrews Cross, X, used on the flag of Scotland, though, in the 20th century, the + cross was usually burned. Neither of those symbols has been sullied by the KKK's misuse of then, and , as mentioned in the article, neither should the Hindu swastika.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egil Skallagrimsson
    It seems to me that the Nazi swastika is the mirror image of the Hindu swastika. If this is true, it should be emphasized, indicating that the Hindu swastika is NOT the symbol used by the Nazis and therefore not involved in any ban on the latter.
    You'll find in pre-christian Europe that the swastika was often used in the same way as the Nazi's used it. There are many ancient sites showing this, will they be destroyed if this law comes into effect?
    My granny has a little swastika pendant from when she was young, it was a goodluck charm then apparently.
    I was told when i was young that Hitler had reversed the swastika to be a force of evil and death.... eyes:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastik...ristian_Europe

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    Hindus joining forces to oppose EU Swastika ban

    Swastika ban call upsets Hindus

    POSTED: 1022 GMT (1822 HKT), January 17, 2007

    LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Hindus in Europe are joining forces to oppose German calls for a law across the European Union banning the display of Nazi symbols, saying the swastika symbolizes peace and not hate.

    Hindus in Britain, the Netherlands, Belgium, France and Italy plan to visit each EU member state, European Commission leaders and members of the European Parliament to garner support for a pressure group intended to resist the German move.

    Germany plans to use its presidency of the EU to launch an initiative which could lead to common laws across the bloc making it a crime to deny genocide and display Nazi symbols.

    "The swastika has been around for 5,000 years as a symbol of peace. This is exactly the opposite of how it was used by Hitler," said Ramesh Kallidai of the Hindu Forum of Britain.

    "It is almost like saying that the Klu Klux Klan used burning crosses to terrorize black men, so therefore let us ban the cross. How does that sound to you?"

    The European umbrella group of Hindus plans to launch in the European Parliament in May.

    The swastika, the symbol of Hitler's Nazi Party, is banned in Germany, which assumed the EU's six-month rotating presidency on Jan. 1. In Hindu tradition, it is one of the religion's most sacred symbols of peace.

    Germany, alarmed by a rise in far-right crime, wants to harmonize the rules for punishing offenders in member states.

    "In Germany the fight against racism and xenophobia is both an historic duty and a current political concern," Germany's Justice Ministry said, laying out its plans earlier this month.

    Kallidai said Germany's initiative was probably well-meaning but there had been no consultations.

    "Every time we see a swastika symbol in a Jewish cemetery, that of course must be condemned. But when the symbol is used in a Hindu wedding, people should learn to respect that," he told Reuters.

    "In Sanskrit it means May Goodness Prevail. Just because Hitler misused the symbol, abused it and used it to propagate a reign of terror and racism and discrimination, it does not mean that its peaceful use should be banned."

    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/eu...swastika.reut/
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    Re: Hindus joining forces to oppose EU Swastika ban

    The hindu symbol of happiness, in roman catacombs the roman senators put a lot in these tombs.

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    Re: European Hindus oppose German call for swastika ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ladybright View Post
    That is an excellent article. I like the idea of the swastika being defended by Hindus. It was theirs long before Hitler was interested in it.
    Hitler did indeed adopt a swastika type that wasn't very common in the Germanic world, but it was certainly not "theirs" (read: of the ‘Hindus’) and certainly not of today's Hindus.

    Also, you must realize where Hinduism came from and from what it came forth.


    He tarnished it but it is still a good symbol that should get some respect.
    I think rather the Hindus tarnished it, by having become Dravids that bastardized the true meaning of Hinduism.

    Oh well, like the demise of Germany and the ancient caste system of India, I guess we can blame one force that was behind both their demises...


    Quote Originally Posted by fonze View Post
    NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!
    I accidentally - and unfortunately - gave you a ‘thank’ point, I didn't see this last childish and unfactual remark.

    Germanic peoples also used the swastika, or adoptions of it (the swastika, being one of the many implementations of the sunwheel).

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