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Thread: Spenglerian Worldview: Where would be Ideal for the Natural Elite to Live?

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    Question Spenglerian Worldview: Where would be Ideal for the Natural Elite to Live?

    A couple of questions:

    According to the German philosopher Oswald Spengler, all civilisations are like living organisms: they have a set life-cyle of birth, flourishing, and decline. According to his estimation, our own Western civilisation is in the decline stage. If we compare the modern Aryan civilisation to that of the Roman civilisation (assuming they are separate entities), our own civilisation would be according to Spengler in the late Republican era. It will soon enter a period of great civil (racial) strife - and then it will be necessary for dictators to take the reigns of power.

    This dictatorship, in Rome's case was made up of the aristocratic racial elite -- all the emperors till Commodus being Aryan, id est fair skin and eyes etc. The elite governed a mass of diverse peoples who were racially mixing: creating a worthless melting-pot of people who were increasingly corrupt, intellectually diminishing and physically stunted. This process of decline according to Spengler was inevitable as part of a civilisation's natural biological limitations.

    I agree with this ancient Roman comparison of the cause (racial mixing*) and consequence (necessary dictatorship) in what is happening in our current world - however I find the eventual end result -- total destruction of our people -- too fatalistic.
    To my mind, it doesn't take into account the true nature of a civilisation: a large group of individual members of the same kind who are capable of reproducing themselves - and in so doing, able to achieve potential immortality for the civilisation.

    What are your thoughts on the Spenglerian world-view? <*Note: I have written the cause for the fall of a civilisation being racial mixing, not Oswald Spengler>


    And another question relating to this world-view:

    During the Roman Imperial age there were periods of unrest, when great numbers of the aristocracy were persecuted by usurping leaders, who selectively targeted the natural elite. The usurpers once taking control of a politically important centre (e.g. a provincial capital, or Rome itself), would then purge the best in the area, so as to destroy the strongest potential opponents (id est, usually the pure Aryans i.e. the aristocracy).

    The practice of an usurper purging the best can be seen vividly in modern Aryan lands in the practices of Marxism and all its variations. (Most on this forum will know what happens when Marxism takes over) What do you think would be the best strategy in dealing with the risk of the best being destroyed by usurping central authorities? Should our people try to rise in power within the politically important centres, e.g. capital cities, and within politically important occupations e.g. government, law, teaching e.t.c.

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    Should our people as a group strategy withdraw from the cities, and live in the countryside or small towns: either as farmers, or other independent types?

    So what does everyone think:
    The cities and politics, i.e. engaging directly with problems, and having the proximity of enemies?
    Or, the countryside and small towns: withdrawing from central politics, and isolating ourselves from enemies?

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    Re: Spenglerian World-View (Weltanschauung)

    I'd have to answer your question by saying both Nelson, stick to our own communities in the country and woods is good and trying to live a life as naturalistic as possible is better, you should still try to be politically vocal and particibate to make sure things are balanced and something positive happens

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    Re: Spenglerian World-View (Weltanschauung)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson View Post
    I agree with this ancient Roman comparison of the cause (racial mixing*) and consequence (necessary dictatorship) in what is happening in our current world - however I find the eventual end result -- total destruction of our people -- too fatalistic.
    To my mind, it doesn't take into account the true nature of a civilisation: a large group of individual members of the same kind who are capable of reproducing themselves - and in so doing, able to achieve potential immortality for the civilisation.

    What are every elses thoughts on the Spenglerian world-view?
    <*Note: I have written the cause for the fall of a civilisation being racial mixing, not Oswald Spengler>
    I agree that Spengler ignored or disesteemed the importance of biological race as the "substance" or, respectively, did not give his culture philosophy a really clean and clear racial-biological component (he uses "race" sometimes this, sometimes that way). It would, on the other side, not be true to say that he completely ignored the race question or that he would have sanctioned or at least have been fatalistically indifferent to the destruction of the Occident through that sort of mass immigration to Europe as it is happening for some decades. He indeed said that the era of a levelled "civilisation" had come for the Occident, but he was strongly aware of the problem of birth decline as a main inner problem of the white world that must be solved (cf. the forword he wrote for the work of Richard Korherr), and then in his last works he spoke out several prominent warnings against the "coloured world revolution" as the vital question of the Occident's future (cf. the final chapters in Der Mensch und die Technik and Jahre der Entscheidung, also things he wrote in his letters, then the following text Ist Weltfriede möglich?--the last political text he wrote before his death).


    IST WELTFRIEDE MÖGLICH?

    Telegraphische Antwort auf eine amerikanische Rundfrage

    (1936)



    Die Frage, ob der Weltfriede je möglich sein wird, kann nur ein Kenner der Weltgeschichte beantworten. Kenner der Welgeschichte sein heißt aber, die Menschen kennen, wie sie waren und immer sein werden. Es ist ein gewaltiger Unterschied, den die meisten Menschen nie begreifen werden, ob man die Geschichte der Zukunft betrachtet, wie sie sein wird oder wie man sie gern haben möchte. Der Friede ist ein Wunsch, der Krieg eine Tatsache und die Menschengeschichte hat sich nie um menschliche Wünsche oder Ideale gekümmert. Das Leben ist Kampf unter Pflanzen, Tieren und Menschen, ein Kampf zwischen einzelnen, Klassen der Gesellschaft, Völkern und Staaten, ob er sich nun in wirtschaftlichen, sozialen, politischen oder militärischen Formen abspielt.

    Es ist ein Kampf um die Macht, seinen Willen, Vorteil oder seine Meinung vom Nützlichen oder Gerechten durchzusetzen, und wenn andre Mittel versagen, wird man immer wieder zum letzten greifen, der Gewalt. Man kann den einzelnen, der Gewalt anwendet, einen Verbrecher nennen, eine Klasse revolutionär oder Landesverräter, ein Volk blutdürstig, aber das ändert nicht an der Tatsache. Der heutige Weltkommunismus bezeichnet seine Kriege als Aufstände, Kolonialreiche als Befriedung fremder Völker, und wenn die Welt ein Einheitsstaat wäre, würde man die Kriege Aufstände nennen. Das sind alles nur Unterschiede in Worten.

    Es ist eine gefährliche Tatsache, daß heute nur die weißen Völker vom Weltfrieden reden, nicht die viel zahlreicheren farbigen. Solange einzelne Denker und Idealisten das tun - sie haben es zu allen Zeiten getan - ist es wirkungslos. Wenn aber ganze Völker pazifistisch werden, ist es ein Symptom von Altersschwäche. Starke und unverbrauchte Rassen sind es nicht. Es ist ein Verzicht auf die Zukunft, denn das pazifistische Ideal bedeutet einen Endzustand, welcher der Tatsache des Lebens widerspricht. Solange es menschliche Entwicklung gibt, wird es Kriege geben.

    Wenn aber die weißen Völker des Krieges so müde werden sollten, daß die Regierungen sie unter keinen Umständen mehr dazu bringen könnten, dann würde die Welt das Opfer der Farbigen sein, wie das römische Reich den Germanen zufiel. Pazifismus heißt, den geborenen Nichtpazifisten die Herrschaft überlassen, unter denen immer auch Weiße sein werden, Abenteurer, Eroberer, Herrenmenschen, die Zulauf finden, sobald sie Erfolg haben. Wenn heute in Asien eine große Erhebung gegen die Weißen stattfände, würden sich unzählige Weiße ihr anschließen, weil sie des friedlichen Lebens müde sind. Der Pazifismus wird ein Ideal bleiben, der Krieg eine Tatsache, und wenn die weißen Völker entschlossen sind, keinen mehr zu führen, werden die farbigen es tun und die Herrscher der Welt sein.

    (Oswald Spengler: Reden und Aufsätze, hrsg. v. Hildegard Kornhardt, München 1937, S. 292f.)
    Man ſei Held oder Heiliger. In der Mitte liegt nicht die Weisheit, ſondern die Alltäglichkeit.

    SPENGLER

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