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    What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Aryan philosophy and metaphysics = Upanishads, Ancent Greek, proto Aryan.

    IMO, Plato just stated ancient aryan philsophy.

    The Republic based on ancien Aryan society of caste with his view of castes of Gold, Silver, Bronze based on intinsic chararacter which is the same as Rigsthula of castes based on color which is the aryan tri partite of black, red, white (see dumezil). Stoicism goes back to Heraclitus logos and fire. Platos supersensory world of ideas is similar to At=man and Bra - man which is simialar to Norse God and Godi. You can trace the origins of Great philosophers to the Ur religion /tradition of the Aryan tribe. The value of speculation, thought. You do not see it with Jews, no metaphysics, The bible is history. Jesusism does not value metaphysics or philosophy. IMO, there was an ancient aryan philsopher/priest caste who created religion/languages/higher systems of thought who vestiages are in Taoism, science, ancient philosophy and give to the masses in myth form as allogories so they could understand the meta physics.
    Last edited by Moody; Monday, January 15th, 2007 at 01:48 PM. Reason: split thread [from 'Aryanism and Chinese Philosophy']

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    Re: Aryanism and Chinese Philosophy?

    Airmanareiks, your Aryan is imagination, our Aryan is a fact. We still worship those Gods, we still chant the same mantras, with the same sound, follow the same ceremonies (yajnas). This is not meant to be derogatory to you (Europeans) who lost the traditions to the semitic God, after all, you are our brothers, however distant you may be.

    No society remains unchanged over milennias. Even if Aryans had not met Hindus, then also they would have changed. Actually this association was instrumental in saving their knowledge and culture, which survives nowhere else. Therefore, do not look at Upanishads as second grade, but as a natural development of Vedic philosophy.
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    Re: Aryanism and Chinese Philosophy?

    Aupmanyau, If you are not racial aryan, you are not aryan and your ancestors are not aryan. Aryans are white. It says in the Rig Veda. If you are colored or dark, in the Rig Veda, you are not in the religion of Arja Dharma, but a foreigner who took over my ancestors religion. I doubt your ancestors religion is Arya Dharma.

    What Gods do you worship?

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    Re: Aryanism and Chinese Philosophy?

    I am a Kashmiri brahmin, fair colored, blue eyed; worship the Aryan and Hindu Gods; invoke Indra, Surya, Agni, Varun, Brihaspati, in religious ceremonies; my geneology (Gotra) is from the 'earlier' Sage Upamanyu (Bhoot Upamanyu), and I like to think that he is the one whose hymn to Soma is included in the RigVeda (though I am not sure about that, there might have been many Upamanyus, that is why the earlier and later). I do not think that one could have better credentials.

    For that reason, I am Aupmanyav (of the house of Upamanyu). Philosophically, I believe in a non-satient universal substrate, Brahman.

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    Re: Aryanism and Chinese Philosophy?

    Cool.

    What do you think about

    Brahman - Dyaus Pitar (God Father)

    Atman - Brahmins - Aryaman - Manu (Law of Manu)

    and

    God, Goden, Odin, Zio pater, Zeus

    Godi, Ariomanus, Manus


    I reconstructed the proto aryan religion you might call it proto vedic in that, IMO, Odinism is prior to Vedism. You can see this in the first man, Ymir vs Purusha. Ymir is divided into elements or the world whereas Purusha is divided into castes. The Rig Edda and Law of Manus are the Germanic equivalents to the Rig Veda and Law of Manu, but improved.

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    Re: Aryanism and Chinese Philosophy?

    We still worship Dyava Pitra and Dyava Prithvi, Aryaman.

    Randomly selected from Ralph Griffith's translation of RigVeda

    Book 1, HYMN CLIX. Heaven and Earth.

    1. I PRAISE with sacrifices mighty Heaven and Earth at festivals, the wise, the Strengtheners of Law. Who, having Gods for progeny, conjoined with Gods, through wonder-working wisdom bring forth choicest boons.
    2 With invocations, on the gracious Father's mind, and on the Mother's great inherent power I muse. Prolific Parents, they have made the world of life, and for their brood all round wide immortality.
    3 These Sons of yours well skilled in work, of wondrous power, brought forth to life the two great Mothers first of all. To keep the truth of all that stands and all that moves, you guard the station of your Son who knows no guile.
    4 They with surpassing skill, most wise, have measured out the Twins united in their birth and in their home. They, the refulgent Sages, weave within the sky, yes, in the depths of sea, a web for ever new.
    5 This is to-day the goodliest gift of Savitar: this thought we have when now the God is furthering us. On us with loving-kindness Heaven and Earth bestow riches and various wealth and treasure hundredfold!
    (http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv01159.htm)

    We know that you have different names for the same Gods, since at one time we were not separate.

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    I have taken extant Aryan hymns and made a new Norse version, what I view as PIE, but in a Norse culture. I view it as a best of Rig Veda. See what you recognize when you download the Rig Edda, the Gods will be Germanic gods, but as you said, they are the same gods under different names as ancient historians have noted, including Tacitus. You may view orlog/irmunsul, or the world tree as Agni which is fire or logos in a Heraclitian sense. I have updated the religious paradigm into modern philosophic/scientific terms.

    May Aryanism never perish and ever persist as the one true religion and the Aryans as the one true Godthjod!


    Aupamanev. I get the feeling you lied and are non nordic or white and are offended by ancient Aryan religion. I should not have given it to you. But I trusted your word.

    [Note: You should view it in Wordpad. It will be in a Rune font. If you click Select All and then change the font, you will be able to read it.]
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    Last edited by Moody; Monday, January 15th, 2007 at 01:51 PM. Reason: merged two consecutive posts

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    Re: Aryanism and Chinese Philosophy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airmanareiks View Post
    Aupamanev. I get the feeling you lied and are non nordic or white and are offended by ancient Aryan religion. I should not have given it to you. But I trusted your word.
    He did nothing of the sort. You however made a very foolish assumption.

    I suggest you read Aupmanyav's details to the left of his post.

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    Re: Aryanism and Chinese Philosophy?

    I read he was Kashmiri/Aryan. What does that mean?
    You have to take a man at his word that aryan IS aryan!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Aupmanyav View Post
    I am a Kashmiri brahmin, fair colored, blue eyed; worship the Aryan and Hindu Gods;

    He apparently is offended by the Rig Edda which contains much of the Rig Veda. First, he states that he is aryan and I am somehow not, or lesser then him["with all due respect"] because I am not from India and he is. But, aryans are white, which he admits in that he believes that aryans came from the far north, not indigenous and dark from India which many Indian nationalists believe. Fair colored and blue eyed is prodominately nordic. Common sense says there are little or no nordics now in India, but half breeds or less, like Mexico is composed of Spanish and Native American mixes. Its like a Mexican stating that he is spanish. Lets say Spain was converted to Jesusism and destroyed indigenous aryan religion in Span, but in Mexico aryan religion survived in which Mexicans continued to believe, but the original Spanish conquistadors interbreed and no Ur spanish exist in Mexico. So a Mexican states he is Spanish and the Spaniard in Spain, taking the extant aryan religion in mexico and modifying it back to Spanish, is inferior to the Mexican.


    I am taking back what belongs to Aryans.

    If non white Hindus think that the Vedas and Law of Manu are theirs, they are sadly mistaken. It is good that current Hindus DO NOT believe in Aryan gods. But unfortunately, some think they are superior do to their religion which they inhereted but is not theirs (Vedas and Law of Manu).

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    Re: Aryanism and Chinese Philosophy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airmanareiks View Post
    Aupamanev. I get the feeling you lied and are non nordic or white and are offended by ancient Aryan religion. I should not have given it to you. But I trusted your word.
    Are you refering to the fiction to which you adhere?
    I would also like to know how one can be an ethnic Tervingian some 1,600 years after the fact.
    Last edited by Moody; Thursday, January 18th, 2007 at 03:11 PM. Reason: split thread/removed remarks irrelevant to new thread
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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