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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    The Vedas have given way to widespead decline in the Unity of their original Witness. The Northen Gods too cannot be comfortable in an alien environment - where they are unrecognized and ignored. A Restoration is required in the inner Thought and Spirit - Fire and Faith again must warm the Blood to its duty.
    And is not Europe today becoming an "alien enviroment"?
    The Northern Gods will rarely show themselves in such a milieu, and will rather retire to their solitary abodes.

    And if the Globalists have their way, Britain and India will be inter-changeable in the future - an untrammeled Western Capitalism will traverse the world.

    So 'Place', too, is important to Aryan Metaphysics.

    Heidegger famously said that "language is the House of Being".

    Aryan man dwells ontologically in the house of his 'language'.

    But his house begins to be condemned and is occupied by squatters.

    Therefore he needs to speak down the Ages.

    Metaphors leap over time and space and bring us closer to our ancestors when they dwelt poetically and purely.
    When they understood the meaning of the Rune Othil.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    I do not need to spell it out; I have already hinted at the 'demo/geographics'.
    Ah, I see; I was mistaken you meant Paganism of the future might evolve in a way even unpalatable to 'us'. Thank you, that was a nice selection.


    Quote Originally Posted by Carl
    The supreme and over-riding Ethic will rest in their own-informed intrinsic value, that coming down to them from the former ages; it will not rely on notions and principles drawn from elsewhere that do not belong to the inner soul-lineage of the people themselves.
    By all means amplify my understanding of these things if you wish. These are by their nature not easy questions to ask or think about.
    Nietzsche, in What is noble? (Will to Power, 943) remarks:
    "There are not too many valuable things: and these come and wish of themselves to the valuable man. We do not easily admire."
    Its my belief that we first have to raise ourselves to such a state, ripe enough to pull the will of a certain path and attract the course of the valuable to us. This can only arise from an inward state of discipline and war, that is character forming. Then as you say, what can come to us and what can really befall us, which was not already ours?!
    Its why I state those five basic points. If "the stillest words bring the storm, and thoughts that come on doves' feet guide the world", the Grounding must begin with things that change the least, and since all things change, such things which least change must exhibit the greatest illusion or artifice. Nietzsche therefore calls Metaphysics as the "will to art"...
    ""Life ought to inspire confidence": the task thus imposed is tremendous. To solve it, man must be a liar by nature, he must be above all an artist. And he is one: metaphysics, religion, morality, science - all of them only products of his will to art..." [Will to Power, 853]
    Every time Aryan metaphysics strengthens, building over the ages, it is a tribute to the Aryan as an artist, his creative will to art.
    That's why my first point begins with "The art of strengthening the will".
    I hope I have cleared up a few things.
    We do not go chasing after power. As both Evola and Nietzsche say somewhere, the imperative is building a solar attitude within ourselves, to which feminine Power, comes of its own accord "wanting to be possessed", and we gladly "possess".

    Quote Originally Posted by carl
    The fallen Culture is all about us , that which already reduces us and seeks to destroy our will to resist all what would undermine us. So indeed, therefore , to bring in the unexpected as a Strengthening of Will, or of Vision or Purpose would seem entirely consistent with our need to promote all that will take us forward into the new age of 'salvation'.
    Not necessarily Carl. The fallen Culture need not say everything about us;

    "The starting point is where great force is, where force is to be discharged. The mass, as the sum of the weak, reacts slowly; defends itself against much for which it is too weak - of which it can make no use; does not create, does not advance.
    This in opposition to the theory that denies the strong individual and believes "the mass does it". ...four or five generations lie between the active agent and the mass - a chronological difference.
    The values of the weak prevail because the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership." [Will to Power, 863]

    So maybe its our well-trained instincts imbued with wisdom and foresight, that we let the machinary of Democracy make the mass "malleable", and easy to mould them under our hands, making them slaves of even their "right to question everything"...
    Just like Nietzsche figured out the ultimate logic of Christianity, let them exhaust themselves out and ultimately they will undermine their ownselves... we may not even have to "fight" this war!
    Thank you for the Heraclitean reminder.

    Also, in the process of creating gods, we might do well also to create a few demons! - those beings that even defying the gods, exercise the will to think for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless View Post
    Heidegger famously said that "language is the House of Being".

    Aryan man dwells ontologically in the house of his 'language'.
    I value these lines, thank you.
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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Thinking about Thinking.

    Arrian mentions Nietzsche's thought on Architecture as 'an oratory of Power through Form'. Thoughts too may become more powerful by the building up of Words into larger forms or structured formulas. Where words have significant meanings, their precise conjoining often creates even greater significance. This occurs frequently within German Metaphysics. I sometimes use a dictionary to explore the range of meaning and significances of key Words. Since the Germans delight in conjoining words to create new compounds ( a sort of verbal alchemy? ), I also use their dictionary.:

    Denken ( dachte, gedacht) : to think.....

    Ich kann seinen Denken nicht folgen! (follow, understand).

    Mensch denkt - Gott [?Wyrd] lenkt . (= steers, directs) (-- being an adapted proverb).

    .....'das Volk der Dichter und Denker '.......

    Denkansatz : - a starting point for thinking....

    Denkisch : intellectual...(?)

    Denkmodell : a plan for further discussion ,
    . a working hypothesis.

    Denkvers : - a verse -memonic.

    Andenken : memory ( to honour someone,
    . - commemorate, a rememberance.)

    Denkmal : memorial (- monument): a mark(-ing) of thought..........Thought & Memory.....
    (= Odinn's Ravens , Hugin and Munin - . his 'intelligence' ; perhaps related then?!)

    The whole earth o'er, every day
    hover Hugin and Munin,
    I dread lest Hugin droop in his flight,
    - yet still more do I fear for Munin .

    ( Edda 4: Grimnismal - 20)

    Denkwurdig : memory-worth, memorable........

    Denkwurdig Eregnis - a notable or
    memorable event.
    ( - especially in Heidegger , a sudden Metaphysical 'revelation' or significant awareness).

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    We are thinking with Words and Ideas; these are the units with which we build up our thought structures. These units evolve progressively into more elaborate structures. This is the archetecture of language and meaning. The question of Aryan Metaphysics is already a complex - collectively arising in the North in historical times and variously celebrating the being that is within itself in its very own historicity. The unity of Being in the Arya East (South) arises in The Rig Veda in the Cosmic Order Rta and the tendency of each (Vedic) God to contain the others. This is most easily to be seen in Agni - since Fire "ascends" to the other Gods (manifest in Nature) as Unifying prayer and supplication. Thus is Agni the divine Priest. Only much later does the thought - that the unity of all should be in Brahman - arise ; already is the ultimate possibilty of the unifying Metaphysic of the One visible within higher Vedic thinking.

    This existed long ago in the thinking and science of the early Ionian Greeks. The Gods - again within Nature - gathered their beings together with all other beings in the unity of the Metaphysical ONE. Only the nature of this ONE was in question , for some water , for others air ... and for Heraklitis, Fire. Perhaps in his thinking he already understood that the essence of beings existing beyond nothingness rested upon the presence of (divine) energy within. In the language of contemporary Metaphysics, it is the Mystery of Being which enables beings from within their being to stand out from nothingness. For any collective group , the essence of itself must also lie within; the Being that unites it must itself remain intact for the collective identity to project itself beyond the nothingness that otherwise awaits. Perhaps this is why Heidegger concluded, after an eventful lifetime of academic metaphysics, thinking and poetry that :

    "Only a God can save us " ...

    ....a God within the us that is surely, in these times, in need of Salvation! A God within that is surely, at once, intrinsic to the collective us and yet entirely unfallen to the forgetfulness of the World. I think of it as a belonging with (mit) and a calling to - unifying all that by cosmic right (Rta) belongs together.

    "One Thunderbolt strikes -
    root through everything".

    Heraklitus (F28).

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Arrian. Many centers, OK, we join them to worship Krishna (and Shiva and the mother Goddess, they do not negate that). Geeta may seem christian to you, it is essence of Vedas for us. Hare-Krishnas do not legitimize homosexuality, they may be just as tolerent of it as any normal hindu. As for their dancing, even their first teacher, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, danced in ecstasy of divine love of Krishna, and he is for us one of the later five great teachers (acharyas). We also venerate him. A problem can arise if they add a new one or discard an old one.

    Gods were one even in the Vedas, Indra was Agni, Agni was Indra, Vishnu was Surya, and so on, till the list narrowed down to Brahman. There is total equality in Brahman and no differences (that is the best guess at the moment). Though it may be difficult to understand for those who have an Abrahamic background. We will know the properties of Brahman only when science breaks up the riddle of matter/energy/space/time. Kindly give me some reference of the three kinds of fires, off-hand, I am not able to get your meaning. Of course, there is a celestial fire of sun, then the yagna fire, and the household fire (which the lady of the house was required to attend all the time). I will check for that.

    Devotion in hinduism is a highly analysed topic. "There are five kinds of Bhava in Bhakti.These Bhava or feelings are natural to human beings and so these are easy to practice. They are: Shanta, Dasya, Sakhya, Vatsalya and Madhurya Bhavas. 1. In Shanta Bhava, the devotee is Shanta or peaceful. He does not jump and dance. He is not highly emotional. His heart is filled with love and joy. Bhishma was a Shanta Bhakta. 2. Sri Hanuman was a Dasya Bhakta. He had Dasya Bhava, servant attitude. He served Lord Rama whole-heartedly. He pleased his Master in all possible ways. He found joy and bliss in the service of his Master. 3. In Sakhya Bhava, God is a friend of the devotee. Arjuna had this Bhava towards Lord Krishna. The devotee moves with the Lord on equal terms. Arjuna and Krishna used to sit, eat, talk and walk together as intimate friends. 4. In Vatsalya Bhava, the devotee looks upon God as his child. Yasoda had this Bhava with Lord Krishna. There is no fear in this Bhava, because God is your pet child. The devotee serves, feeds, and looks upon God as a mother does in the case of her child. 5. The last is Madhurya Bhava or Kanta Bhava. This is the highest form of Bhakti. The devotee regards the Lord as his Lover. This was the relation between Radha and Krishna. This is Atma-Samarpana (total surrender). The lover and the beloved become one. The devotee and God feel one with each other and still maintain a separateness in order to enjoy the bliss of the play of love between them. This is oneness in separation and separation in oneness. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Jayadeva, Mira and Andal had this Bhava. (http://www.dlshq.org/teachings/bhaktiyoga.htm)

    About Crusadewatch, it is certainly a momentary problem. Governments come and go, and rules keep on changing. At present Sonia Maino Gandhi is at the helm, such things would happen. If we survived the 27 years of Congress rule before, we can survive a few more years. That does not put us in a tizzy. At the moment she is thinking whether she should go for a 'Kumbha' bath at Allahabad or not (the State is going to polls in a month's time), the Ganges being what it is. Let us see what happens about reservations, do the people actually vote for the schemers, there are many others dangling similar carrots. Some times Indian people get fed up and throw all in the dust bin. Of one thing I am sure, Hindu/Aryan India would never be cruel.
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    What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody View Post
    And is not Europe today becoming an "alien enviroment"? The Northern Gods will rarely show themselves in such a milieu, and will rather retire to their solitary abodes. So 'Place', too, is important to Aryan Metaphysics. Aryan man dwells ontologically in the house of his 'language'. But his house begins to be condemned and is occupied by squatters.
    Therefore he needs to speak down the Ages.
    Metaphors leap over time and space and bring us closer to our ancestors when they dwelt poetically and purely.
    When they understood the meaning of the Rune Othil.
    Monism.
    Mind/Body/Spirit as one.
    The world is mind/body/spirit as well.
    Land wights
    Elvar

    The Aryan Gods are in the DNA and in the Aryan Mind. Most are born in a foreign environment, educated in a foreign religion, culture and thus are not aryan. By reconnecting to the ancient aryan religion, you regain your true godhood which was given by Rig in the past. The goal is to reconnect your mind/body/soul to the Aryan Gods. Once done, you are a Godi or Godthjod/Gutthiuda, an emanation of God. And the Aryan Gods live and live progresses upward to the divine.

    Othil is a geographic race soul. By yourself, it is you. With other aryans, then it is that group. But to live in a place of peace and agreement, you must have a nation, because it is necessary to drive out the alien and purify the environment.

    Thus when Goths came into a new land, there was a land naming. We had to change the name, to RESPIRITUALIZE the heim. Vikings also did not want to scare away the land spirits when they came back home from viking so the y took the dragon head down from the ship. But the dragon head was used to frighten foreigners and the foreign land. This is why Athanaric would not step on Roman soil. It was defiled.

    So we live in an alien outer environment. That which is not aryan, religiously, which is mind, body and spirit is utangards. The outer rune realm. The only innangards there is in most of the world, is inside your home or inside you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrian View Post
    I agree its a racial religion and unique to the Indo-Aryans. The RV breathes expansion and the spirit of expansion in every breath of its hymn; the caste system and the Manu were formulated not to turn isolationist but to better organise this expansion, and the acculturating effect of moulding all those happened in the way.
    The race-hatred exhibited here, I wouldn't put that on par with the kind of Semitic hatred expressed in the testaments or the quran against those of alien faith. The RV hatred lacks ressentiment. It was not a religion that sprang from/for purely hating anybody.
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    The Law of Manu is a reflection of truth of preservation of the higher race. Which is why there is segregation. An Aryan cannot look at, eat the food of, a non aryan.
    It also reflects the truth that the better should be valued over the lesser. Which is why the Priests had power, the mind and Rita/Rede/ which is logos or logic or divine law/mind over pure instinct/egoism, the self, pain and pleasure, animality.

    Aryan law is ultimately about purity and preservation. Preservation of divine Godlaw and racial purity and preservation. Both are intertwined because of the monism of mind and body. Both the mind and body must be pure. Thus a Aryan Godi, must be only with the highest racial caste, which is nordic, of pure blood/spirit/mind.

    So the Law of Manu was about organizing the new territory from chaos of two races, aryans and sudra/dasysus within an aryan religious structure which is always been about segregation due to the truth of inequality of substance (see Plato).

    The RV race hatred is a hatred of the foreign which is defiled and less pure than Nordics. The superior looking down on the inferior. Whereas the non aryan races tend value equality (see non aryan hinduism, jesusism). Never forget that their drive is largely due to an o inferiority complex and wanting to have sex with aryan women who are better looking then the dark women. Non whites are not as mental a race, and view life as gaining pleasure and avoiding pain, thus being driven by the lowest race on a purely sexual impulse.

    The higher race, values the mind, metaphysics, philosophy and therefore the true political system is heirarchial caste with the aryan priests are rulers. The first aryan priest ruler was Rig of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post


    What belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? where should one start ? What is Aryan? what is the limit of metaphysics - indeed, has it itself already died?

    The Persian scripture and the Rig Veda Samhita and the other (three) Vedas belong there - they are the Holy books of the East - not of the West].
    They are holy books of that race. The aryan race. If you studied comparative Aryan religion you would see the validity of reconstructing the original aryan religion.


    Regarding Zoroastrianism and how it fits with Aryanism, check out the Rune Aetts. They mirror the dualistic Zorastrian/Mithric(remember the Romans believed in Zorastrianism) religion of Good Spirit of Light/Fire vs Bad of Matter. Remember, the Zorastrians were called fire worshipers. Remember, the Vedic aryans always had to have their house fire lit. You have the house fire as a symbol of aryan God. Remember, Heraclitus saying looking into a fire "There is God". Its all the same Aryan religion, east or west because it is connected with the aryan race/mind/spirit and travels whereever that Aryaman/women lives. Temporality matters not, being the person's mind/spirit is connected ontologically, dang an sich, with those aryan Gods whose names changed, but essence remains the same.


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    You should see the similarities between Aryan Zoroastrianism and Asatru if you know the two.
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    Rig Edda and Law of Mannuz
    in Runesr

    Rig Edda nnd the Law of Munus are the Ur religion of Erd. There are two historic evidences. Primarily, Rig Veda / Law of Manu and Rune Aetts. Extant they date from 1,300 BCE but where known orally MUCH earlier. THe rune Aetts are extant in sequece and are earlier. Airyans espoused their religion orally, to have control of who knew it. They had symbols of existnece/being. THese are the Runes. So they told the God saga. First, putting down one Rune, first F (fator), the GOdi telling the tale. Rig Veda = Rig (king) Veda (vit, wit = knowledge) It is not coincidence that both scriptures of AIryans were called Edda/Veda. The true name is Rig Edda. THe King's Knowledge. Or the Mind/Thought o the Ruler/Rede. In the East, you had the Law of Manu and in Germania times there was Mannus son of Tuisto/Twin. Their law was Law of Manus (logically).
    The validity of the Rig Edda/Law of Mannus is thus proven, preserved through time by the order of the rune aetts. The Godar transmitted the Edda orally, from generation to generation, given only to the worthy. The Godsaga was first espoused by ordering the runes and verbally espousing the Edda. Thus you always see the ordering in the preceding way historically.


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    1st Rune Aett - Spirit, Fire, Immaterialism, Race of God (Light), Light Spirit (elves), Fire, Hate, Seperation, War, Racism, Segregation, From One to Muliplicity. LIFE. Muspel - Volsungs. MAN Light children. Opposite = Nifel Hagal- Contraction of All Runes = Death = Hel = Black HOle.

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    F = Fe-hu, wealth, power, BEING, Fa-tor, GOD, Gaut, Odin, Woutan, Goutan. God in a triad is Past (Mimer), Present (Urd), Future (Skuld). Symbol = Valknut. All -Father. Odin is Mind (Hugr/Huginn and Memory/Munin. Thus, Omniscience, All Mind of the ALl Father Odin which is Immaterial, thus eternal, not material, hence temporal.
    Ur(d), well/heim of existence, mana (mind, thoughts, BEING, the present, asgard, norn of the present. From a point of ONE, the Mind of God (GOD), came all Runes/thoughts. God thinks, thus expresses Ideas/Runes. Thus, the expansion of Runes, muliplication of space, therefore time. Ur place of God/Judgement, where the Thing is held , where God lives (norns past, present, future) in his totality.
    T = Thuraz/Thorn/Thor- Power, Will/Villi. Magn/Power, that which drives creation, which turns the world (mill/Mundilfari/Fylfos), Muspel, Elemental Fire Expansion of cosmos creating space/time/existence, Male principle. Electricity God, light, upward, transcendent, air - Opposite of Gravity Black Hole, downward, Death.
    R = Raidho/Ride, expansion of the cosmos, riding on Airmansul, Rede/Rita/ Rightousness. Urminsul is the Raidho/riding of God's being. Thus, you must be of God (being/essence/thought) to have eternal/cosmic life, i.e. for the soul to continue after the material destruction of the body. That which is not Rit/Rede is Jotunheim, material Ape.
    A = Ansuz/Ases - Race of Aryan,Light, Pure, Noble being, God's essence/spirit/anda. God's Odin/Villi/Ve.
    K = Kenaz/Knowing/Torch - Fire - Logi/Logos/Logic. Muspelli.
    G = Gefu/Generate/GIve/Gibor, Mundilfari, Galaxies, Spinning, Fylfs,
    W = Wunjo/WIn/Happiness- God lives. When an Aryan is tru, one with himself, he is one with God and is Wunjo.


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    2nd Rune Aett, All Matter, Materialism, Race of Jotuns and Black spirits (elves) (Darkness, Female, Universal Love, Beastiality, Muliplicity TO One, Whore, Contraction) Nifel = Nibelungs, Nifel (Myst) Heim (Home) = lit. Gas Chamber. Death, Black Hole. Race of Jotuns.

    H = Hagal/Hail,Hel - Hag (Old women) All, Shaped as a snawflake, Nifelhel, the black hole where there is no light, contraction, female, sucking life, no time, space or life. Contraction of All RUnes. The broad of Lokean, darkness, evil. From Nifel came the destroyers of Gutthuida. Nifel = Nibel = Niblungens, the offspring of Hel, sought to destroy the Godseed, From Rig's Volsi (phallus), the Volsungs a tribe from Frey Ing. Gravity opposite of Electricity. From Spirit, to gas, to Liquid, to Crystal, to pure Matter, Solid. The Hagal rune is the female rune which takes all other runes in her into the black hole of death. Materialism, Money, Beastiality, love of Apes, not of the mind/spirit, or philosophy, souless.
    N = = Naudiz/Need, When you have no soul, you are needy. Capitalism.
    I = Is/I/Ice/Ego - That which seperates oneself from God. Being seperate from God, YOU. Thus, lose of eternal life, going to Nifelhel after death because seperate from God, there is no life/soul. Thus, Is is the cause of death. In Greek, it is Hubris which causes the death of Heros [aryan godment]. They were proud, distanced themselves from Gods (Achilles destroyed a statue of Apollo), being seperate from being (conscious, mana/mind being guided by God), their enemies thus destroyed them. Rune of Einherjar (One War-ior). Those individuals who forsake their I, and give their life to the Ases. Becoming Aseir, they have eternal life. Composed of the highest sp[iritual substance of Pure God mana/mind, Electric (Male/Air) not Gravity (Female/Matter/Ape) they live forever battling the forces of darkness, Hel and matter.
    J = Jera/Year - A unit of time.
    EI = Elhaz. Women's love of beastiality. Particualary Black Apes.
    P = Pertho/Chance - Outside of your I/Ego/control. Being outside of God/Wryd/Existnce, you have to leave your fate to chance - The Norns/God casts your fate unless you are part of God/Urminsul.\par
    Z = Yr - Death - The last/worst, not A/Ases/Asgard, but non being Z, Black hole, Gravity, descent, death. Those outside of God, Arya Wegaz, Non Aryans.
    S = Sig/Sol/Stojid/Skuld = Past/Debt. Well of Mimer, past, memeory where God judges your life (godstua). A being not rede/righteous life - because of the Skuld of belonging to their race [Godthjod Arya} being a traitor is those an outcaste from God. Here such traitors, apostates are punished and thrown with Loki to Hel his mother. Thus, Victory of God over Jotuns. The Ases (Air Gods) defeated the Vanes (Animal- Ape people Religion of beastiality without Logos, Logic, Rede/Rita, Righteousness. Stoicism over Epicurianism). The sun shines, free from blackness and non aryans (Apes and Apedom).


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    3rd Rune Aett - Man - Airman, Airya, Creation of Volsungs. God lives in Space and Time, begotten from God Father (Dyaus Pitar) Fa Urd. 1 to 2. Male and Female GOd. From One God (Fire - Spirit - Male) and the other Demon (Ice - Matter -Female) came Airyans derived from Urd, not Nifel. Breed from Ape to Gutthiuda, consciously, mana, by Rig, thus not Female Matter, instincual ape, but breed Airyan, pure, noble, wise, innately good/logos/rede/right/righteous. Spirit, Urlog in Matter (Ymir). The highest as Godi (Airya) to the lesser Karl (Red - Semi APe - Tool , limbs not mind/mana of God0 to Thrall, Feet, Debased, touching Matter Moder Erd. Each seopearte, ensurin their esseces.


    T = Tiwaz/Tio/Zio - SkyFator - Incarnated Zio begettor, Law giver. Airman RIg Zio. Tyrfinger.
    B = Berkana/Birth/Erd/Jord - Mountains and Valleys (Tits, Ass, Womb. Mother Erd..
    E = Elhaz - Horse/Tuisto/ - Hensa and Horsa - The diad aspect of God, Odin/Tyr from Zio the unit of God, the twin aspects of God as Mind(Ond/Odin) and Logos (Logic/Tyr/Justice) Dyaus Pitar, Zio Father (Ziofinger) has sex with Erd Moder thus =
    M = Mannuz/Ariomanus IngVe Frauja, Holy Lord of Godseed- goth. Manaseth (manseed), Gutthiuda-Godthjod - offspring of God, Air(God) man (mana/mind). A essence composed of divine mind/mana, thoughts and will (electricity). Transcendant - connected to all the worlds, All Powerful, connected to their Ur -Fa-tor, and emanation of Urmansul. The Triad. Valnut of Odin, VIll, Ve. Ond, WIll, Holiness. The pure Godman From the Fator and Holy spirit through Will, the Son (s) (Jarls, Earls, Airs, Airmans, Airyans)Rig came to Erd, A Ases. He looked for the most similar being which was an Ape. Black, he did not like, poor, stupid ugly, nevertheless, without a female Ases, Rig had to breed an Ases race. Finally he was able to generate a kind from the female ape. The original Ases, lived for hundreds of years (500). He took the resulting offspring of the black Apes and took his daughters and breed with them. Their kind were closer to himself. Red, half apes. Better, but not satisfied. He continued his God mission of God manifesting/living in space and time arising from Hel (Black Hole) pure matter. Rig (Odin/Villi/Ve) embued divinity into Matter. Gradually, his children became more like himself. Children of Light, transcendent, telepathetic, connected to Urd. A Gutthiuda (manaseth) of God. His first true children were called Volsungs (from Rig's Phallus/Volsi). These were Ingeovones, or the Rreyian. The Fraujas , the Lords of Erd. The Gutthiuda of Light (Logi, Urd composed of Od/Vil/Ve). Odin is Mind (Hugin and Munin , Thought and Memory, Willi is Will/THorn, electricity, power and Ve is Ariomanus, IngVE Frey. The Holy Godman. Ingeovons-Holy-Lord.
    L = Lagaz/Log/Law - From God, to Urd, to Urminsul, to Njord, to Rig Hemdall. From Air[Ases] to Fire [Muspel] to Water [Vanes] to Midgard [Man] From water of existence came Rig Hemidall, the first Godi, who gave runes, rites and log/law. Heimdall giving divine rede/rita/log and begettig a godthjod from animal apes, from black age, to semi ape red, to pure Godman, Airyan, Kon Jarl German. So the AIr Gods incarnated and had sex with Apes, gradually breeding a God race of Nobles [Aryans}. Of purity, white, bright, blond, strong, pure, and perfect as their All Father is.
    NG = Ing - First Godrace of Ingevones. Man and Women, Airman [IngVe Frey}and AIrwomen [Freya}. The aryan sexual archetypes.
    O = Othila - Ancestral property, given authority of a hem by God. A heilag heim where God dwells, Manheim/Midgard between pure transcendent spirit/mana Asgard and pure non -being/ matter Jotunhem.. An Airland, Manheim was built. Gutthiuda and Guths/Guthi/Guds/Gudi.
    D = Dagaz - A unit of time smaller then . Life. Brightness rather then Darkness. DAWN. Fire over Ice, Muspelheim over Nifelheim.


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    God-Urd-Fire(Muspel)-Expansion-Logos-White-Man (Mind and Holy Spirit, Godthiuda, Holy Nation, Odin/Villi/Ve- Triad aspect of God of Mind, Will, Holiness.
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    Death - Ice(Nifelheim - Gaschamber) - Contraction-Black-Women (Matter, Materialism, Capitolism, No Mind, no Spirit, no Being (Self Consciousness)


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    Any 'religion' that is preceeded by the blowing of trumpets will fail.
    Any 'religion' that is not in-line with the dynamics of its milieu will fail.
    Any 'religion' that is some ad monstrum composite of dead or decaying bodies will fail.
    ".

    What is your definition of failure?
    My definition is falsehood or a religion which has no power or success for me.

    Success or failure has nothing to do with how many people believe in it, wheither other people like it.

    Success is giving you god power, or Rune Magn. To become a demi God and live with your aryan ancestors in Asgard and the high abode, Valhol.

    This is why Aryan priests (Law of Manu) forbid non Aryans to give the religion. It must be preserved along with the race.


    Success is based on who you are. And the religion which is true and sublime and a reflection of God, has the most power. This religion was the religion give by the Rig to the first Aryaman, Kon Jarl. It has the most power, and thus whoever IS IT, has the most success.

    Success is not a political or religious conversion. But being the highest form of being/physically/spiritually/ and mentally. And the power must be protected from foreign races which is why you have segregation from non aryans and not giving them Arya Wegaz. Else you would make the foreigner stronger mentally. You see the decline of Aryan nations when they educate and give power to non aryans. This happened in India thousands of years ago, they interbreed with non aryans and thus, there are no aryans in India anymore nor those who practice the Ur Aryan religion as IT WAS and IS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aupmanyav View Post
    There is equality as well as unequality. Unequality in the observed world, and equality in Brahman. Of course, pity is for those who do not understand Brahman.
    . But democracy is precious and it should rule supreme, the best governing principle, one person, one vote. I will quote a verse from Iqbal, the national poet of Pakistan, before he turned rabid:
    What could more unAryan (as per Rig Veda and Law of Manu). You say that you are Aryan and worship the Aryan Gods. Implicitly, you mean you follow or live Arya Dharma. But this is not true, so you are not Aryan at all and your condensation of non Indians who claim to Aryans is ludricous.

    Everyone is equal in Brahman.
    Why then in the Law of Manu, it is stated that the Aryan priests rule and COME from the mind of God. While the non Aryans come from Purushas Feet and are thus NOT of Brahman. Obviously, ONLY BRAHMINS are from Brahman as the Germanic GODAR are from GOD. The Godar are the offspring of the Ases.

    This guy says I should not look at the Law of Manu as if he was Aryan. Yet, can you believe this: He advocates democracy and equality of castes/races. The Law of Manu is about segregation of castes and the aryan caste ruling. You should have been happy (you who think you are aryans) when the Nordic british came to India. This was but a rehashing of history. They even formulated your laws under the Law of Manu as their ancestors did. But you see these dark non Aryans like Gandhi seeking freedom from Aryan British.

    Please stop lying and saying you are aryan. I doubt you are of the nordic race and you certainly do not follow Arya Dharma (Law of Manu).

    What faith do you actually live with?

    I get upset with this when a non Aryan claims to be an aryan and destroys aryan religion by misrepresenting what aryans were and what they believed. Which you have done. This is not Rita, or righteous which is Rede.

    Rita is not equality and democracy. Nature creates heirarchy and differentiation of power. There is inequality and Aryanism is about nurturing the better. That of a higher race, culture, spirit, religion. Its not a mass movement, but Ario:


    Aristocratic

    This is in line with the Rig Veda, Law of Manu, and every other true Aryan religion such as Asatru, Driudism, Greek and Roman religion, et....al.
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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Airmanarek, yes, the books say that Brahmins are from the mouth of the Purusha, Kshatriyas are from the Chest, Vaishyas from the thighs, and Shudras from the feet. Without any one of these Purusha is incomplete. They also say 'Ekameva Adviteeyam' (Brahman is the only one, there is no second - Ekam=one, eva=only, a-no, dwiteeyam=second). If I considered myself any different from others, I would be transgressing my books. I would not do that for anything in the world. Have a good day.

    BTW, I found a reference to another Aupmanyav, a kinsman and a commentator on Vedas. He was a predecessor of another 'nairukta' (those who explained Vedic happenings as result of natural phenomena), Yaaska (700 BC). That means he might have lived around 1000 BC. The other commentators were the 'aitihasikas' (explaining things as history), 'karma daiviya' (Gods attained divinity due to deeds), or 'ajana daiviya' (Gods were born as Gods). I think the elder Aupmanyav would be happy to know that some other Aupmanyav would be interested in Vedas after 3000 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aupmanyav
    Arrian. Many centers, OK, we join them to worship Krishna (and Shiva and the mother Goddess, they do not negate that). Geeta may seem christian to you, it is essence of Vedas for us.
    A look at any ISKCON pamphlet will tell you the message they print is that there is no difference between realizing Krishna and what is Christ-consciousness, etc. I did not say Gita was christian to me, but I said prabhupada's exegesis of the Gita and his other lectures smell christian to me. I have read better translations.

    Hare-Krishnas do not legitimize homosexuality, they may be just as tolerent of it as any normal hindu.
    You are right to say, the late Vedic period saw a tolerance of these things, and what probably held some esoteric meaning then, have not only been interpreted but even promoted as a way of life now;
    http://www.galva108.org/

    A problem can arise if they add a new one or discard an old one.
    This is too easy; all they have to do is call themselves an avatar of the old one, and so many 'sages' and 'soothsayers' are now worshipped almost like God. In the name of the old one, its easy to spread false ideas.

    Gods were one even in the Vedas, Indra was Agni, Agni was Indra, Vishnu was Surya, and so on, till the list narrowed down to Brahman. There is total equality in Brahman and no differences (that is the best guess at the moment). We will know the properties of Brahman only when science breaks up the riddle of matter/energy/space/time.
    I completely disagree with this.
    The often quoted saying which is doing so much mischief is from the Rig Veda 1.164.46:

    "Speech hath been measured out in four divisions, the Brahmans who have understanding know them.
    Three kept in close concealment cause no motion; of speech, men speak only the fourth division.
    They call him Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Agni, and he is heavenly nobly-winged Garutman.
    To what is One, sages give many a title they call it Agni, Yama, Matarisvan."

    This does not mean Agni, Yama, and Matarisvan are all equal in Brahman; only that,
    in Brahman, Agni at the most can only be said it is "not this, not this"
    in Brahman, Yama at the most can only be said it is "not this, not this"
    in Brahman, Matarisvan at the most can only be said it is "not this, not this"

    for man's speech partakes of the profane fourth division, while in the other three, nothing definite can be said. Brahman is the indefinite.

    Because nothing definite can be said, one precisely and especially cannot speak of any equality in Brahman! Since they all take the form utmost of "not this, not this", to what is One, the sages give many a title. And who are these sages? They are the Brahmans who have the understanding of Speech being measured out in four divisions - the profane + the other three, where the utmost realization leads them to only say at the most, it is "not this, not this".

    Also, I came across an Atharva Veda saying,
    "He is the one, the one alone,
    in Him all deities become One alone."
    - Again to me, this doesn't mean all things become equal in Brahman, but meaning, in Brahman, all things reach a state of no motion; what profane speech can say at the most is that, in that state, all things become One-alone like the One. In their indefiniteness, they are one with the Indefinite one himself.

    See Brihad Vedanta, 1.6.

    Kindly give me some reference of the three kinds of fires, off-hand, I am not able to get your meaning.
    Chandogya Vedanta, 6.4.

    About Crusadewatch, it is certainly a momentary problem. Governments come and go, and rules keep on changing.
    I perceive it as a very serious and threatening problem for your country, and exactly because whatever governments come or go, makes no difference to them. They operate anti-nationally under the badge of "secular freedom".

    Of one thing I am sure, Hindu/Aryan India would never be cruel.
    Goodness belongs and can only belong to Strong people. If goodness makes men weak, that goodness [read Tolerance] is poison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airmanareiks
    The Law of Manu is a reflection of truth of preservation of the higher race. Which is why there is segregation.
    And the point of this segregation was not to be isolationist, but for a more effective expansion. By introducing tiers, the caste-system could acculturate the native people and extend rule over them, while each class could develop into a separate type/sub-type altogether. The Manu Law was about expansion and preservation of the higher race through accomodation of the native-population of the territories it conquered. That's how those territories were seeded.

    It also reflects the truth that the better should be valued over the lesser.
    It reflects the truth every nature has its own usefulness and how best this can be tapped for an overall advantage - the flourishing of the nation as a whole. This truth was reflected in the hierarchy. Because the heart is placed above the liver does not mean the liver is less better, but only that the liver would be less better placed in that position of the heart, if you get my meaning.

    Aryan law is ultimately about purity and preservation.
    Aryan law is about how best and close it can synchronize with Life, which is another word for growth - between cosmic law and the Law that the evolving Self creates in its own name. This involves the task of giving self-direction and direction - therefore Leadership.

    Preservation of divine Godlaw and racial purity and preservation. Both are intertwined because of the monism of mind and body. Both the mind and body must be pure. Thus a Aryan Godi, must be only with the highest racial caste, which is nordic, of pure blood/spirit/mind.
    I agree, but I will also add, Life stirs in dirt and contamination.
    To grow a little, one necessarily has to be willing to sacrifice this static state of absolute purity. Without movement, there is stagnation and death. One must reach a state of such internal strength, that even a little assimilation cannot and should not do harm. As Nietzsche points out, the Greeks were such an example. The important thing is knowing this capacity - how much and what kind one can take in and where to stop. I am not promoting race-mixing, but its the way of Life. Every Growth calls for a sacrifice.

    So the Law of Manu was about organizing the new territory from chaos of two races, aryans and sudra/dasysus within an aryan religious structure which is always been about segregation due to the truth of inequality of substance (see Plato).
    That's what I said.

    The RV race hatred is a hatred of the foreign which is defiled and less pure than Nordics. The superior looking down on the inferior.
    The RV hatred is a hatred of the foreign that refused to share a vision of a common destiny, because they lacked this inner-rhythm in their blood, and this hatred included many Vedic aryans themselves. There are hymns that speak of protection from both kin and foe.
    While on the other hand, Rudra was absorbed in the name of the local god Shiva, etc.

    Whereas the non aryan races tend value equality (see non aryan hinduism, jesusism).
    True.

    Never forget that their drive is largely due to an o inferiority complex and wanting to have sex with aryan women who are better looking then the dark women.
    Yes, even I believe they are filled with ressentiment against the fair race.

    Non whites are not as mental a race, and view life as gaining pleasure and avoiding pain, thus being driven by the lowest race on a purely sexual impulse.
    While its true, unfortunately this can also be said about much of our post-Socratic philosophy in the white-world; so I would re-phrase that as Non-Aryans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aupmanyav View Post


    BTW, I found a reference to another Aupmanyav, a kinsman and a commentator on Vedas. He was a predecessor of another 'nairukta' (those who explained Vedic happenings as result of natural phenomena), Yaaska (700 BC). That means he might have lived around 1000 BC. I think the elder Aupmanyav would be happy to know that some other Aupmanyav would be interested in Vedas after 3000 years.

    Just because you have the same name does'nt mean anything. Like a Mexican Jesus and the Jewish Jesus.

    All right. You say you are desceded from Brahmins. Implicitly, you mean that you are aryan and I am not because you can trace your ancestry to an aryan in India and I cannot.

    1) At one point, that nordic Indian aryan had sex with a non aryan and you are actually non aryan. Much like a white man, lets say George Washington having sex with a black slave women and having a mulatto. Then the mulatto Washingtons having sex with other blacks . This black Washington ancestor would say he is decsended from George Washington and I am not. In reality, me and washinton would be the same race and the dark Washington would not. Even worse, this dark Washington does not even follow Arya Dharma but follows a non aryan religion.

    This form is of people of Germanic ancestry. I have a problem in that I gave Aryanism to a non aryan (nordic) unless you can prove otherwise like posting your real/current picture on your avatar which shows your nordic features.

    What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    1) That which is Aryan, belongs to the aryan race. Nordic

    2) That which is line with the aryan weltanschuang.


    Aupamanvey, says that only Indians are aryans and non Indians are not entitled to Aryan metaphysics. Non of your post show aryan metaphysics but contrary, non aryan egalitarian metaphysics of equality and race mixture and democracy.

    To a more positive light.

    Democracy.

    When is democracy aryan.

    Democracy is aryan when is among equals. Democracy is only valid in an aristocracy.

    The greek democracy only allowed the wealthy greeks to vote. Even jesuit american, first only have White landholders the right to vote.

    Democracy only works within an aristocractic caste.
    Why?
    Because a democracy needs an intelligent poplulace.
    Here is what a democracy needs from voters:

    Intelligence
    Frugality, not seeking self interest and pleasure ala the masses of the roman empire.
    Voting for the common interest which can only happen when the people are the same.

    In a stupid society, people are too stupid to vote. In a multi racial society, whatever race is the majority gets most of the benefits and harmony is not acheived ala the cast system. Taking Platos view, If the bronze race is the majority, it will destroy the Gold race, e.g. communism. If the Gold race predominates, then society will generally be fine, like America in the past, because the people are generally smart and meet the pre requistes of a wise governement.

    So Democracy is aryan only within an aryan caste or aryan nation when the racial quality has hit its maxium. An aristocracy or theocracy is the way to bring up the level by favoring the best (aristos) over the masses (plebs).

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrian View Post
    Aryan law is about how best and close it can synchronize with Life, which is another word for growth - between cosmic law and the Law that the evolving Self creates in its own name. This involves the task of giving self-direction and direction - therefore Leadership.

    .

    Aryan man or Manu is Purusha. Where the Brahmins are Brahma and Brahmins rule which is Rita. The Nordic Brahmins were racially pure compared to the dark races who were closer to the dirty Apes. The Brahmins were also smarter. In Aryanism, God is Mind, cosmic thought, or rita or Heraclitian Logos which is Right/Rita/Rede thought. Brahma is Dyaus Pitar which means God Father. This Zio or Zeus or Ju- Pitar is the God Father and begettor of Aryaman or Aryans. This is Rig or ultimately Odin which means possessed in Gothic. Odin is the mind with Thought (Hugin) and Memory (Munin). Thus, God's offspring are Gods, or Gutthiuda and his priests are Godi. So Aryan metaphysics always valued the Aryan and its self rule or freedom. It also value eugenics and breeding to perfection which is the Aryan archetypes ( Frey/Lord and Freya/Lady which is Aryaman and Aryawomen). Aryanism is about the purpose of life which is upward evolution to perfection:

    Mind
    Body

    which becomes the spirit.

    Never completely obtained, but he more perfect, the more God is incarnate and the world changes from Erd, the Manheim, which is Aryaman-heim. The abode of Gutthiuda which is what Goths called their home. The further you go back in Germanic and Aryan religion the more you see this.

    With foreign rule/religion/ethics, you see the degeneration of the world from spirit to matter and gradually to stupidity, ugless, and debachery until the world implodes. The key for actually aryans is to be away from the implosion and their suicide so that Aryanism can rise from the ashes - post Ragnarok. The key is to not aid non aryans, but build aryanism from within as a fortress, growing spiritually, intellectually, racially. This is done through isolation/segregation which is where a seperate language is necessary. In the Law of Manu, of course, you have it right. Only teach true aryans. Those that would not destroy the Law.

    It is better to die then to sow the Veda on barren ground.

    For if you sow it on bad ground (non nordics or those who do not follow aryanism, (jesuits, non racists), when they get the power, they will use it against you, thus being an enemy of God.
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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    I do think it is fundamentally in error to say that "Aryan = Nordic". Anyway, both terms are somewhat dated - you should check out the anthropology sections to become informed. The original IE (IndoEuropean) groups split up long ago - the IndoIranian went south, various IE elements came west. That which is Germanic incubated in the north long before Roman times. The entire Celtic civilization covered central Europe from c 700BCE. Only later did the Celtic and Germanic begin to fuse - the Celtic in Germany being progressively absorbed . But the North stayed Germanic and that's where the lore of Odinn gradually emerge. Unless you too want to mix hopelessly with the south and be lost , it is to the northlands that you should return, to your own folk and their Gods , to your own roots and northern metaphysics. It is the north that cries out for Salvation.... fighting in the south is of no great value in these times.

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    I already have. I am Odinist. But I am Ur Germanic or Aryan.
    Mixing with the South? Of course they split up.

    It rebuilding or completing the full Ur Aryan religion before they split up.

    I have rebuilt it to the extent that the Rig Edda and Law of Manus is greater then an previous aryan religion to date.

    Odin is the Ur Aryan All father who name changed with the expansion of nordics south.

    I am using Aryan as Nordic as in PIE or Ur aryan times of the first homeland. The first aryan was Kon Jarl, who was blond. The inherietor of Aryan religion from Rig Heimdall probably 10,000 years ago.

    Nordics were Greek Dorians who started philosophy. Nordic were Roman aristocractic caste descended from Romus/Remus which is Germanic Tuisto.

    So I am refering to the proto Aryans who were Nordic, descended from Jupitar/Zeus/Zio/Dyaus. Blond and white, living in the northern Aryan homeland, where the sun rarely shines.

    The time of my religion is about 10,000 BCE well before Vedism, before the divergence of Celts and Germans, Greeks, Arya, Romans, Thracians, Tocharians, etc........

    Its before civilization, thus more brutal and hard then the soft religions of pacifistic people, thus offense to modernity.

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