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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    Quote Originally Posted by Suut View Post
    "I think that people who speak in metaphors should shampoo my crotch" (Melvin Udall). In instances such as your above statement I tend to defer to Mr. Udall. My tether to the Earth doesn't allow such Romanticism. It smells of a fairy-tale, and there are heavier things to be lifted than such a book, for me, anyway.
    Yes, Suut - metaphors, metaphysics, metaphilosophy, romanticism and faery have no place in your sterile world of the purely matter-of-fact, material, biological and logical.
    How fitting that you go to Hollywood for the wise-crack!

    However, the Metaphor belongs to Aryan Metaphysics!

    I know Sophistry, too, Moody - metaphor is the weapon instead of dialectic: wouldn't the question rather be "who is NOT the map maker here?" - given that "We only deny what is not Aryan"? Show me the "map."
    We have to pick out the non-Aryan bits from between our teeth - there are no covenient expanses which allow us to "draw lines" in the way that you suggested.

    The will to Power is not a thing in itself.
    If there is a ding an sich, then the will to power is it.

    Moreover, you self-reduce 'Aryan' to an infinitesimally small quantity; which while true, must needs reconciled with your Germanophilia.
    On the contrary - you were the one wanting to circumscribe the Aryan [ or Western Aryan], not I.

    The Aryan is a vast ocean, out of which comes storming and raging the mighty Germanic river.

    And this furor teutonicus belongs too to Aryan Metaphysics; - the will to conquer, and the will to expansion.

    Do not make your soul too small.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless View Post
    Yes, Suut - metaphors, metaphysics, metaphilosophy, romanticism and faery have no place in your sterile world of the purely matter-of-fact, material, biological and logical.
    How fitting that you go to Hollywood for the wise-crack!

    However, the Metaphor belongs to Aryan Metaphysics!
    You have no way to demonstrate your Ad Hominen as true: does the negation of an approach that conflicts with your Dasein (which I have always affirmed, not so incidentally...) indicate, necessarily, its delineation outside of Aryan Metaphysics? When am I NOT speaking in metaphors!

    That I am able to have a sense of humour about things proceeds from the assumption that I am speaking to and amongst people capable of Golden Laughter. - you have been complimented, not cracked upon. - why the negative?

    The only two things that I see lacking in your being-in-the-world (I assert that this belongs to Aryan Metaphysics), to the extent that access to it is available to me, is a sense of Humour, and the complete lack of "I don't know": to Metaphysics of any ilk, belongs a levity after the contemplation - and a plethora of "I don't know".

    I am wary of an abundance of Metaphysical answers: isn't this part of Aryan Metaphysics?


    We have to pick out the non-Aryan bits from between our teeth - there are no covenient expanses which allow us to "draw lines" in the way that you suggested.
    Well, I'm not pulling into a filling station for a soft-drink: of course the 'expanse' is inconvenient.

    Can you elaborate on "expanse" and how it applies to Aryan Metaphysics?



    If there is a ding an sich, then the will to power is it.
    That follows. But, is it True?


    On the contrary - you were the one wanting to circumscribe the Aryan [ or Western Aryan], not I.
    So then the circumscription of the Aryan - in any way - does not belong to Aryan Metaphysics?

    I disagree.

    The Aryan is a vast ocean, out of which comes storming and raging the mighty Germanic river.

    And this furor teutonicus belongs too to Aryan Metaphysics; - the will to conquer, and the will to expansion.
    But to where do we expand? - we shall need a 'map', no?

    Do not make your soul too small.
    I will try. In return, I expect that you will not over-estimate the size of your own: there is little room for growth in the 'All'.

    Perhaps we might more adeptly discuss the Principa of 'Incorporation', in so far as it is to put or introduce into a body or mass as an integral part or parts.

    From there, I can provide an explication of my thesis of 'Imposition' as it applies to Aryan Metaphysics; and perhaps something may come of it that none of us were previously aware.
    Last edited by Moody; Thursday, January 18th, 2007 at 04:22 PM. Reason: merged two consecutive posts
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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Well, I have the mithraic Ziu, a alchemical image created in 2005 based on a more old image from the poem "A nova face de Zeus", were he is represented in a red armor surrounded by an white aura. In the mithraic Ziu he is with a golden armor and four arms.

    Fiction or not, the mithraic Ziu was necessary for me to take away the need of women that I had until that time. Today I dont need women anymore, so no matriarchic mechanism will give me orders as to what I can do or not.

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    I do feel that one cannot really think very well amid so much latent aggression; it is necessary to withdraw a little. The theme is a vital one : the grounding in metaphysical understanding of the task which lies ahead. This clearly involves the Future & the World - it involves coming to an understanding of the limitations which are to apply to this undertaking - both immediately , that is in the primary phases of the unfolding of the ideas - and then in the longer term where the idea is to be realized in the wider context of the world. Suut is right to question the issue of the Arya East ; these do obviously lie beyond the Immediate European concern ( Arya West )- this understood on a worldwide configuration.

    But there is another side to this which must also be brought in to the wider thinking; where there is an ancient Indo-European Commonality , a common root in some sense in terms of the ancient race-lines or culture-themes as reflected in early theologies and symbols of the race and power , then these may indeed , as Moody is suggesting , still have meaningful resonance in the wider destiny of the world. Seen from the Germanic viewpoint ( and Moody has already mentioned Spengler - as well as Nietzsche & Heidegger), if we are to consider Faustian Destiny of the world, then it would not be wise to draw the circle too tightly around our thinking - since we may not yet fully understand which other peoples might be of use to the wider unfolding of the Idea in the world lying beyond the circle. We are not to know what alliances could be forged to assist in the wider task. If we are really to look at the bigger picture of the future, then we should not confine ourselves too quickly - in terms of the wider world, to a limited region. We may think of India as an example - and heaven knows we have talked enough preliminaries about the transition from Vedic times to Hindu. We have even elsewhere broached the possibility of a Metaphysical Being arising out of the Holy One called Brahman. The Indians have their own difficult way of doing their Thinking - but I do not total despair of reaching some profound Metaphysical Understanding. We have already been reminded of the Theosophical aspects of Western Odinic lore ; perhaps there are yet many further things to learn from that which was once so surely Vedic in its own Northern origin.

    It is my view that the North is 'sacred' and worthy of safeguarding. If it is helpful from within the new Metaphysic of the (Germanic) Future for there to be an understanding of Odinn as 'Lord of this North' in some new fashion, then I see no problem. What once belonged there, can belong again, can still belong. This may not be for everyone....it may well assume new form, raised again from former wisdom inspired by the needs of the newer age. All is possible ; keep in mind also that Odinn has always so many names - and so many moods. There may well be frenzy, there will be battles - but there are also other modes of being - of cunning, of shifted perception, of poetic insight , even of 'sitting out quietly beside the Well'. There is still some mystery to know which might yet link the central importance of Odinn's sacred Mead - with the power of inspiration and the gift of finding ways through the most difficult of riddles -- and the Soma of the Vedics , adjunctive to the Fire of Agni - which both gave to Indra such convincing power & victory in his age.( The whole of book 9 - out of 10 - of the RigVeda is given over to the praise of Soma! ). Odinn has so many faces; battles are so often won before any violence is necessary! In the destiny of the Germanic- European , Odinn may indeed have such a relevance for many. Nor does it escape me that Fire in its many forms was the necessary core for both Indra in the south and Heraklitus in the West. And in the north too, Fire preceded the being of all things beyond that which was frozen and inert!

    http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=440&postcount=6

    There are many points to bring back from what has already been said in previous posts. They are not forgotten .But let us not move too fast; let us not use aggression where it is unhelful. Moody can then protect this metaphysical thread from irrelevances - and the themes can so move progressively forward towards a deeper understanding of what is necessary and required. There may well be disparate areas - but in terms of the broader Metaphysic , I can well imagine Nietzsche and Heidegger being somewhere near the centre of the thread.

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    Arrian, ISKON is just a fringe. Do you know Prabhupada did not annoint any of his disciples as Acharya. It is a tradition in India, passing Acharya appoints some one as the next. So, what their people say does not have any authority, it seems none was found to be good enough.
    You recognise it has no authentic authority, but most Hindus don't. I'm sure you are aware of how many centres operate in India alone, and what a powerful infrastructure they have abroad, mostly from explaining the Gita which smell very Christian to me.

    And apart from them, whole tribes and communities have been converted large-scale either by force or bribery by organisations who owe their loyalty to the Vatican. And pages of 'Gaudiya Vaishnavism' even promote and legitimize homosexuaity as Hindu! Airmanareiks is right; much of secular Hinduism is Christianity today, when they say with all un-Vedic passion, Hindus believe all truths and all Gods are one.

    There is equality as well as unequality. Unequality in the observed world, and equality in Brahman.
    No, I don't hold to this. If it were so, the Vedantins would not have differentiated between three 'kinds of fires' - black fire of the earth, red fire of the mid-sky, and white fire of the heavens. 'That' substrate which animates life - Brahman itself is said to be qualified as "not that, not that"; so one precisely cannot speak of any equality 'in Brahman' !

    Of course, pity is for those who do not understand Brahman.
    Agree.

    We do not worry about problems of the day. One who gets perturbed easily is a Shudra (classical defination). Better people keep their composure.
    I would hardly call intentional destruction of the Vedic and your post-Vedic faith since centuries 'problem of the day'; its been a never-ending war.

    http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.ph...=607&Itemid=57

    Shudras are the people in your governing office who are very happy to let China bid its claim on your entire eastern territory. Better people nip things in the bud.
    Your explanation is only a sorry excuse for a lack of power and determination. Yet, I don't think the Vedic warrior spirit has died, its probably gone underground, morphing into yet another form, I know not what.

    Probably reservation is doing some good to a section of the people.
    The people who finally benefitted were the rich sons of the most backward castes, whose fathers voted these politicians into power. Only mediocrity can come out of this. Their hearts were not in the right place to begin with.

    Mittals now have half the steel business, Tatas are aiming for the rest.
    This is only thanks to our enemies' multicultural liberalist mere-profit-motivated mechanism in our own countries; India has nothing to do with this. France today is half-mongrel, by colour and by creed! What do you expect.
    Any Mittal can get in.

    Today we have this government, tomorrow we will have that. But democracy is precious and it should rule supreme, the best governing principle, one person, one vote.
    Democracy is good only when the demos are good - but the majority are insensible and cannot think higher than their basic needs. Solely on that note, democracy will always be a big failure. Not to mention, its an age when even the voting-machines are rigged and bought off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless View Post
    We rather need to adopt a Paganism of the future which, while being redolent of the Aryan past, will have surpassed and overcome Paganism and Christianity.
    This future Aryanity may be strange to some and even unpalatable.
    What would make it strange and unpalatable?

    Upon what cruelty(ies) will the Paganism of the future permit itself to delight in?
    How shall we measure the essence of its strength?
    Last edited by Moody; Thursday, January 18th, 2007 at 04:27 PM. Reason: merged consecutive posts

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Suut View Post
    You have no way of demonstrating your Ad Hominem as true.
    I'm surprised at your tone here; especially as you have accused Airmanareiks on this thread of being "rude" and of "only indiscriminately attacking everyone" he "tried to engage like a rabid dog"; - hardly polite, fair, or accurate - and certainly ad hominem.

    You go on to say to him; "if you want to believe you are descended from the line of Athanareiks, knock yourself out; however, you should be aware that no such pedigree of this line exists..."[...] "Ergo, you're either loopy, or a liar".

    This was also ad hominem, and demonstrates your tendency to disregard forms of descent which are beyond the biological [and this is a thread concerned with Meta-physics].

    Turning to myself, you say of, what you call my "metaphoric" contributions;

    Quote Originally Posted by Suut View Post
    How Indic ... "I think that people who speak in metaphors should shampoo my crotch" ... such Romanticism... smells of a fairy-tale ...Sophistry ... you're getting a little too priestly for my taste ... Like Don Quixote! - you know what I meant.
    Astounding that the author of such a stream of patronising [and rude] ad hominems can then accuse the innocent butt of such remarks [and who therefore went on to justifiably characterise that author's approach as being overtly materialistic - see the charges made against 'atavism', "Romanticism", 'faery' etc., in the above] of making "undemonstrable" "Ad Hominems"!

    That I am able to have a sense of humour about things proceeds from the assumption that I am speaking to and amongst people capable of Golden Laughter. - you have been complimented, not cracked upon. - why the negative?
    Humour does not always translate so well on forum exchanges - hence the need to use smilies etc., when you are making 'jokes' - although crudities such as "shampoo my crotch" have no place in a philosophical discussion, in my view.

    I am wary of an abundance of Metaphysical answers: isn't this part of Aryan Metaphysics?
    Is that a rhetorical question [or humour]? If not, then make the case - it could be an interesting point - if you only pursued it straightforwardly, and without always attempting to shroud it with oblique and unfathomable "humour".

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Suut is right to question the issue of the Arya East ; these do obviously lie beyond the Immediate European concern ( Arya West )- this understood on a worldwide configuration.
    The more I learn about Western Philosophy, the more I realise that - as Nietzsche realised too - so much primordial thinking was done by the Indo-Aryans. As Philosophers, we must be aware that we don't get the whole story from the Western Aryans - we need to go to the Eastern Aryan too.[I am talking on a Philosophical/Metaphysical level, rather than on a purely biological one]

    This is because Aryan metaphysics is beyond space and time.


    But there is another side to this which must also be brought in to the wider thinking; where there is an ancient Indo-European Commonality , a common root in some sense in terms of the ancient race-lines or culture-themes as reflected in early theologies and symbols of the race and power ...." [...] "... then it would not be wise to draw the circle too tightly around our thinking - since we may not yet fully understand which other peoples might be of use to the wider unfolding of the Idea in the world lying beyond the circle. We are not to know what alliances could be forged to assist in the wider task.
    I agree here. And in Metaphysics, I see little distinction between the three Norns; the past and the future are here now.

    What happens when you cut off a river at its source?

    It is my view that the North is 'sacred' and worthy of safeguarding.
    Yes, but the North has often moved South - and then back again; this is the runic dynamic of Fire and Ice as you refer to in your own excellent post.
    As I have said, come the next Ice Age we may have to move South in order to survive.
    Do you think that the non-Aryan peoples are going to welcome the Aryans with the kind of tolerance shown by the latter to the former in these days?

    Odin will have blaze a path from the North to the South as he has always done.

    Where's Odin when you need him?

    But let us not move too fast; let us not use aggression where it is unhelpful... and the themes can so move progressively forward towards a deeper understanding of what is necessary and required.
    It is a slow aggression, Carl. It is the feeling one has in the dead of night when a sudden and suspicious sound makes one's five fingers curl uneasily around the hilt of one's sword. But a moment later, one relaxes again.
    But one always remains on watch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrian View Post
    What would make it strange and unpalatable?
    Upon what cruelty(ies) will the Paganism of the future permit itself to delight in? How shall we measure the essence of its strength?
    I do not need to spell it out; I have already hinted at the 'demo/geographics'.

    "The wolf with its belly stitched full of big pebbles;
    Nibelung wolves barbed like black pineforest
    Against a red sky, over blue snow; or that long grin
    Above the tucked coverlet - none suffice ...."

    "... the hairless, knuckled feet
    Of the last wolf killed in Britain ..."


    I do not want to wait until the Last Wolf.

    [Ted Hughes, from his poem 'February', in the collection, Lupercal, 1960]



    And Poetry too belongs to Aryan Metaphysics.
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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Post #'s 17 and 18 of this thread...:

    http://forums.skadi.net/brother_nietzsche-t9870.html

    Are paricularly fine examples of "...(my) tendency to disregard forms of descent which are beyond the biological".

    An exerpt:
    ...The master is by no means a perennial, despite the quality of the soil, or how well it is cared for after it breaks free from the ground; there is no reliable ecological structure conducive to his sustenance let alone segregation into an (when looking out and down on the issue) arbitrarily, yet not capriciously, choice elite—which has always had nauseating political effects. Furthermore, how many times throughout history have apparently noble souls combined only to produce (relatively speaking) worthless offspring? Moreover, how many times have more distinguished characters of history not bred at all? The point: nature allows not for the destruction or dilution of the master; only his dormancy and protracted and hibernated gravitas—it’s protracted gathering: the husk from which it comes, from which it springs forth in preparedness is, almost, incidental. The master is not bound by biology, as is the baser, more idiomatic, assumption amongst the higher types in spite of their intuitive aversion to everything colloquial. The master is bound by the apparent caprice of nature, herself: nature favors secretive recessives, but the price we recessives pay is patience—something not always at arms length to us, relative to our own live ideal. A workable, higher minded, eugenics must be, from its inception, a spiritual matter that takes into account the, more often than has previously been noticed, lifting-up-and-out of the master from one biological lineage, as science currently understands such processes, into another—inevitably more spiritually constructed for nature’s experiments: nature gleefully and excitedly plays trait hopscotch in such matters; and, thus far, even the highest of men yet exampled on earth have, at least consciously, misunderstood nature’s riddle with respect to the ‘phenotypic’ expression of the master as being fundamentally imprinted in the necessity of “blood” when blood is, perhaps, exceptional smoke and mirrors...


    If/When you loose that convienient memory of yours, Moody, show at least a glimmer of reciprocity by answering the questions posed to you, respond to the points made by myself concerning our 'need' for the Indic, and dump the smoke-and-mirrors, I'll re-evaluate making contributions to this thread.

    Moreover, until you reconcile what seems to be an amnesia concerning the necessity of Blood to Race-Soul (amongst other things) as seen here...: http://forums.skadi.net/so_called_ra...lled+rACE-sOUL

    Moderator Lawless
    : "Looking back overthe thread, I feel that some quotes may be worth repeating just to establish strongly this Spiritual Outlook;

    "There is only nobility of birth, only nobility of Blood. Spirit alone does not ennoble.
    [Nietzsche]

    "To attain any assured knowledge about the soul is one of the most difficult things in the world.
    [Aristotle]

    "Soul is merely a word for something about the body.
    [Nietzsche]

    "Soul means race seen from within & conversely race is the external form of the soul.
    [Rosenberg]

    "Belief in the body is always stronger than belief in the spirit.
    [Nietzsche]

    "Your blood is your highest possession.
    [Guido von List]

    "Blood sin & desecration of the race are the original sin in this world.
    [Hitler]

    "How beautiful they are, how pure are these free forces not yet corrupted by the spirit!
    [Nietzsche]


    "And now I bow my head, and utter a prayer of my own:

    As long as the Flame burneth,

    As long as my Fame liveth,

    As long as my children carry on

    My Name into Eternity,

    Only then will my Spirit liveth,

    And my Soul

    Immortal be." (Moody Lawless)
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    ...I've no interest.
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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    As for "Aryan", we have an uneasy tentative understanding that from the original Pre-IndoEuropean people-groups, we have those who came West and those who went South. We are concerned here with the Metaphysical and not with the Biological - which itself is significantly divergent and largely non-assimilable. We need to be clear about this . Where there are currents of culture and theology which can properly inform - we should not seek to exclude them from the ultimate purpose of our understanding and forward thinking.

    And as for MetaPhysical , we need to think of our subject in terms of what it stands for in itself (being-as-such) - only then moving on to questions of cause and outcome or consequence. It is necessarily Supra-Physical , transcending
    the mundane
    - moving also into the subtle , the esoteric & the poetic. To take these aspects away from Odin would leave little of the truth; to take them from the Edda would invalidate much of their value. The purely acedemic analysis will not grasp the forward and Faustian nature of the task , intrinsic to which is the Will to Meaning in the coming World , its Chaos & Disorder. The underlying purpose of the mobilization of the Spirit within the People who will be called is to safeguard their future higher-being in the world. The supreme and over-riding Ethic will rest in their own-informed intrinsic value, that coming down to them from the former ages; it will not rely on notions and principles drawn from elsewhere that do not belong to the inner soul-lineage of the people themselves.

    By all means amplify my understanding of these things if you wish. These are by their nature not easy questions to ask or think about.

    I asked what belongs to this MetaPhysics and where one might start:

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrian View Post

    1. The art of Strengthening the Will - Of How to rule, grow, extend and expand, to self-surpass, within a code of self-discipline.

    2. Locating the unintentionality of our actions, what is involuntary about our deeds - sacrality, race.

    3. Nietzsche remarked - architecture was a sort of oratory of power by means of forms; so I'd say Aryan Metaphysics is concerned with an architecture of the Self - creating 'forms', moralities..............
    To realise any purpose necessitates being in a position to direct events...as you say to rule. There is indeed now a struggle underway - in advance of any such thing. For ourselves , we might hold out this higher ideal but its realization and wider implementation is still some way off. It is not easy to travel hopefully - perhaps that is where these questions of discipline do first arise. It is within ourselves - but must also be within our Folk. That is why it is necessary to be attentive to the signs which are all about us - spiritually, socially and politically. We must be clear to ask the right questions of the times...and We might well ask questions of the culture about us ---

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrian View Post

    4. The affirmative extent; we reflect and attempt on how (best) to ennoble life at any given moment - art, culture, the metaphysics of Gift-giving......

    5. Magic (and) the metaphysics of war, blood and honour, (- on which I shall be better informed hopefully after reading Evola's essay) ..............


    The fallen Culture is all about us , that which already reduces us and seeks to destroy our will to resist all what would undermine us. So indeed, therefore , to bring in the unexpected as a Strengthening of Will, or of Vision or Purpose would seem entirely consistent with our need to promote all that will take us forward into the new age of 'salvation'. The more that people question what is happening - and create for themselves better and more uplifting priorities, the more will the society that belongs be itself transformed from within. Before ever great decisions can be made , there are thousands of small, personal and local decisions which assist in the shaping of the future. These need to be informed by images and symbols of the better things and better times. These in turn will inspire the greater Spirit within. This is indeed where an older theology may be relevant - in whatever appropriate form - as a counterbalance to prevailing corruption and alienation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrian View Post
    Thanks to Moody for giving a framework for this. I agree with him - with the greats : the Eddas, the pre-Platonics of the ancient times and the modern Germanic ones... the Runes, the Vedas... and a bitterly honest self-reflection.
    And I agree with you - they stand as guiding forms which come from the past and into the present and future of those who receive them. We do as we can and the Wyrd enfolds about us...we may not know - but then others do not know either. As Heraklitus puts it:

    "........Things keep their secrets"

    But then, he holds out the hope perhaps of better things -

    " The ear & the eye , the Mind in Action
    ------ these do I value ".

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Suut View Post
    Post #'s 17 and 18 of this thread...:
    Not of this thread, but a completely different thread; I am responding to the claims you made in this thread.

    If/When you loose that convienient memory of yours, Moody, show at least a glimmer of reciprocity by answering the questions posed to you, respond to the points made by myself concerning our 'need' for the Indic, and dump the smoke-and-mirrors, I'll re-evaluate making contributions to this thread.
    This is a discussion, not an interrogation.

    We have all made points here - it is up to the gods to evaluate them.

    Moreover, until you reconcile what seems to be an amnesia concerning the necessity of Blood to Race-Soul (amongst other things) as seen here...:
    Yet another thread, rather than this one ...

    The operative word in Blood and Spirit is not "Blood", but the smallest word ... "and".

    It is the 'and' that is lacking in your contributions to this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    We are concerned here with the Metaphysical and not with the Biological - which itself is significantly divergent and largely non-assimilable. We need to be clear about this . Where there are currents of culture and theology which can properly inform - we should not seek to exclude them from the ultimate purpose of our understanding and forward thinking.
    Yes, I agree here. Reading the Aryan Dashanas can "inform" our own Germanic Metaphysics, just as reading the ancient Greek Pre-Platonics can do the same.

    That the India of today might be 'biologically' lost does not invalidate the great achievements of its past, which being of a philosophical nature, are therefore eternal and can forever nourish us, even in this Wolf Age.

    It is grist to the philosophical mill, therefore.

    However, it is also a matter of discerning the correct lines of descent. This is why the Vedas may seem closer to us in spirit than does the Old Testament - even though we may have 'grown up with' the latter.

    So we are always seeking that which belongs to us, because the Aryans have seeded all of the world's continents over time and therefore there are glimmerings of the Aryan wisdom amongst not only the Indics, but other cultures too, just as the poetic mead of Kvasir dripped down upon an unsuspecting world.

    The purely acedemic analysis will not grasp the forward and Faustian nature of the task , intrinsic to which is the Will to Meaning in the coming World , its Chaos & Disorder.
    This is why Nietzsche, for one, philosophised with a hammer.
    You are right to pick up on the Spenglerian metaphysic of the Faustian; without that spirit the Germanic is no longer ... 'Germanic', but rather a diluted shadow of itself.
    I fear that shadow is beginning to loom in all its insipidity.

    To realise any purpose necessitates being in a position to direct events...as you say to rule.
    A very important aspect of Metaphysical thinking; it is there in Heraclitus who has the thunder-bolt guide all things; it is there in Plato's Republic and his association with the tyrant Dionysius of Syracuse, and in Aristotle's Politics and his tutorship of Alexander the Great.
    It is there in the world governing Metaphysics of Hegel and in Nietzsche's 'Lords of the Earth'.
    It is there in the Faustian will to invent and to explore - all this is metaphysics, as are the metamorphoses found in poetic metaphor.
    All this is Dasein.

    The fallen Culture is all about us , that which already reduces us and seeks to destroy our will to resist all what would undermine us. So indeed, therefore , to bring in the unexpected as a Strengthening of Will, or of Vision or Purpose would seem entirely consistent with our need to promote all that will take us forward into the new age of 'salvation'.
    The Will is whithering as we speak; the Will to a total Metaphysic of Aryan world domination ever wanes.

    Soon the enemy will be the sole possessor of the will to power - this will be disastrous for not just for Aryan Metaphysics but for all of world culture.

    Then only the cash-nexus will rule.

    I see that beast across the horizon, waiting to be re-born in Bethelhem.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?

    It is true that we need to be careful with this idea of the Aryan commonality. It is all too easy to run into the horror of mixing up bloods rather than spirit. The pure Mind may well contemplate the commonalities of faith over vast times and distances - finding instructive and intriging parallels; but the starker truth remains that after so much time, the bloods are now alien even though the Fires still burn bright and hot.

    Where it is possible to reach across the ages for Vedic or even Greek texts, it would be false to imagine in any way the peoples may themselves be reached across! Indeed, the paradox is resolved in the thought that the Spirit is of the Blood - and the Blood is of the Spirit. The tragedy of our modern age is that the very Thought is dishonoured by the Practice. The Vedas have given way to widespead decline in the Unity of their original Witness. The Northen Gods too cannot be comfortable in an alien environment - where they are unrecognized and ignored. A Restoration is required in the inner Thought and Spirit - Fire and Faith again must warm the Blood to its duty.


    "" Fire of all things
    is the judge and ravisher".

    (Heraklitus . F26)


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