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    Sure, Carl.

    First verse:
    Swasti (well being) be all around, peace be all around,
    Fullness be all around, good fortune be all around.
    May all be happy, may all be without fear,
    May all see goodness, may none suffer from sorrow.

    Second verse:
    May He protect us both, may He look after our studies, may we together work energetically,
    May our studies be illustrious, may we not have discord.

    Third verse:
    Peace in the universe, peace in the skies, peace on water, peace on waters,
    peace on medical plants, peace on vegetation, peace on all Gods, peace on Brahman,
    peace to all, peace upon peace, peace pervades all.

    Fourth verse:
    Lead us from untruth to truth,
    Lead us from darkness to light,
    Lead us from death to Immortality.

    Arrian:
    Hinduism is christian .. : Dont understand, would anyone please explain?
    This is very true for a sect of people .. : Hinduism defeated Buddhism once, it would do it again. We are not worried. When they were hindus, they accepted Vedas, they would do it again. Only the ignorant are impatient. Buddhism itself is only a variant of Hinduism. That is the reason Ambedkar opted for it and not for Christianity or Islam.

    Carl:
    Has it itself already died?: By no means.
    Aryan of India coming to the west .. : Theories. Mine - Aryans started from a sub-polar region after/before last glaciation. They dispersed all along their travels. Went to North Europe, did certainly go to Italy and Greece. Were in Middle-East as Mittani (perhaps also as Hittites), stayed in Andronovo, tarried in Central Asia, went to Iran and India. Roots, that is the problem. Could not the Aryans have started from Scandinavia? They could very well have.
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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless View Post
    I see metaphysics [the philosophy of the Hellenics, and the Germanics] as being a continuation of the Aryan arc; it is an arc of thought-things.

    Metaphysics both marks the limits of the human and transcends those limits.

    Even our gods have need of metaphysics, albeit of a more exalted kind [isn't that so, Dionysos-Wotan?]

    As Elsa-Brita Titchenell shows, the Eddaic certainly has links with the Vedaic;
    http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu...?key=olbp30145
    Masks of Odin on line

    Links in the Blood, links in the Mind, and links in the Spirit.
    As I have said elsewhere, our spiritual ties, the common ancestry of our respective spiritualities, have been severed per stirpes. One must either affirm or deny that we have everything we need in the remnants of Arya Evropa to advance any manner of metaprocession. I - for one - therefore, and thereby, draw a line between what might be called 'West Arya' and 'East Arya'.

    Some manner of practical consideration must be made for the cause of thoughts and their consequences, in so far as 'wars' must be waged in their name. This is, in itself, a metaconsideration: the calculation, condensation and accumulation of ripedness.

    The Fruit of Evropa is sweet enough.

    He who seeks a (re)unification of the spiritual East with the spiritual West by the demonstrable existence of a once common root, must - if we are right about Race-Soul - seek to (re)unify per stirpes.

    Unless - we have everything we need per capita in Evropa...

    I say we have enough to trump the Indic in favour of ourselves.


    The 'Aryan' is this particular web, spun on the tree that we call 'world'.
    And metaanalysis should serve as a vehicle for flicking off unwanted spiders.

    Someone today will have links with ancient tribes who have supposedly gone 'extinct' via metempyschosis.
    If we are right about the 'Race-Soul', then we are each of us, a reincarnation of past Aryans and Germanics [just as future Aryans and Germanics are reincarnations of we] - this right across unthinkable aeons of 'time' [and what is 'time' to us!].
    They won't - and don't - go around howling about it, however. Is there anything MORE secretive, and worthy of secret, than one's own atavism? "...it is indecent to show all five fingers..." - those who do, are usually missing a digit or two.


    I believe that it must be surpassed rather than be rejected.
    Heidegger was correct in this.

    We cannot simply go back to an historical pre-Christian Paganism, as this will merely re-enact the passage from Paganism to Chritsianity as a vicious circle.
    We rather need to adopt a Paganism of the future which, while being redolent of the Aryan past, will have surpassed and overcome Paganism and Christianity.

    This future Aryanity may be strange to some and even unpalatable.

    However, it will have the terrible spirit of Odin about it.
    It will be terrible and abyssmal.
    It will act as a great winnowing for the peoples of the West, just as the first Odinist Experiment of 1933-1945 was.

    Will this second Aryan experiment fall into the lap of the Germanics once more?

    I think it will - but it may not be the Germanics of the narrow concept 'Germany'.

    Therefore I do think that the Spirit of the Rage belongeth to Aryan Metaphysics, for Odin moves in mysterious ways.

    Was Odin the first?

    Or was Odin the last?

    But there is no first, nor is there any last.

    Odin is here in the Eternal Now of Being-Becoming.

    Any 'religion' that is preceeded by the blowing of trumpets will fail.

    Any 'religion' that is not in-line with the dynamics of its milieu will fail.

    Any 'religion' that is some ad monstrum composite of dead or decaying bodies will fail.

    These are Metaphilosophical considerations to be made prior to the announcement of any 'will be'.


    "Will be" proceeds the hows and whys -which belong to Aryan Metaphysics in as much as Imposition is the net result. - eliminate imposition, and the metaphysic is no longer deserving of the qualifier, "Aryan".
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    Indics are already in your favour.

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    Quote Originally Posted by Suut View Post
    As I have said elsewhere, our spiritual ties, the common ancestry of our respective spiritualities, have been severed per stirpes. One must either affirm or deny that we have everything we need in the remnants of Arya Evropa to advance any manner of metaprocession. I - for one - therefore, and thereby, draw a line between what might be called 'West Arya' and 'East Arya'.


    Some manner of practical consideration must be made for the cause of thoughts and their consequences, in so far as 'wars' must be waged in their name. This is, in itself, a metaconsideration: the calculation, condensation and accumulation of ripedness.

    The Fruit of Evropa is sweet enough.

    He who seeks a (re)unification of the spiritual East with the spiritual West by the demonstrable existence of a once common root, must - if we are right about Race-Soul - seek to (re)unify per stirpes.

    Unless - we have everything we need per capita in Evropa...

    I say we have enough to trump the Indic in favour of ourselves........

    Any 'religion' that is preceeded by the blowing of trumpets will fail..........
    I must say that I do partly have this feeling myself - that a divide should occur between that which from , IE times, went west - and that which went south. Indeed some do now think that Aryan should now be reserved for the IndoIranian line which lead to the 'Warrior' Vedics of the south. But if we do this , we need a comprehensive name for that which went west - into the various areas of Europe (Ayra West - ?European). Perhaps the term IE contains the original common strand and that is enough. But the division is now real - and the divide within 'our' Europe is almost more than we can handle - quite apart from any external invasion presence.

    As for the South, for the most part the Aryans of Iran have fled - and the Vedics of India have been so willfully assimilated ( - observe the fate of Indra) that their truths are "all but forgotten". Of course this will be protested - but the truth of it is almost universally proclaimed , it seems to me. But I can imagine , in the fashion of the pagan , that to call again upon the old ways in new times could awaken a response. In the South , I can imagine India being part of the solution - rather than part of the future problem! In this much, I do see a role for the Indo-European idea remaining active in some quiet department. But I would also look , in this post-Vedic age for something metaphysically neo-Brahman to seriously replace the postVedic Hindu Triad Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva. ( But don't tell the Indians this yet!)

    And as for our religion, who knows how the future will unfold ; there may well be trumpets - but there will be other things of greater importance - arising out of the 'metaphysics' of transformation and survival itself.

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl
    What belongs to Aryan Metaphysics?
    Basically,

    1. The art of strengthening the Will - How to rule, grow, extend and expand, self-surpass, within a code of self-discipline.
    2. Locating the unintentionality of our actions, what is involuntary about our deeds - sacrality, race.
    3. Nietzsche remarked, architecture was a sort of oratory of power by means of forms; so I'd say Aryan Metaphysics is concerned with an architecture of the Self - creating 'forms', moralities, the thousand year reich, new weapons, ubermensch, philosophy.
    4. The affirmative extent; we reflect and attempt on how to ennoble life at any given moment - art, culture, the metaphysics of Gift-giving.
    5. Magic - the metaphysics of war, blood and honour, on which I shall be better informed hopefully after reading Evola's essay on the same being translated for the first time in English: http://www.integraltradition.com/cat...roducts_id=170

    where should one start?
    Thanks to Moody for giving a framework for this. I agree with him - with the greats; the eddas, the pre-Platonics of the ancient times and the modern Germanic ones, the runes, the Vedas, and a bitterly honest self-reflection.

    What is Aryan?
    I'd simply say all that is strong and valourous, noble from courage, and profoundly beautiful.

    what is the limit of metaphysics - indeed, has it itself already died?
    The limit- I suppose it depends on who is seeking. Could the lust for knowledge find a limit?
    No, I don't believe it to have died. I see us in the process of creating our new Gods.

    ... yet if there are ancient roots in the east, perhaps there are also echoes to be heard.
    This mindset of a chronology again is something I'm somewhat reluctant about.
    Rather than what pre-dates what, I tend to concentrate on the wyrd that gave fitting each branch its wisdom in its own time and what advantage that should give us either way.

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    Quote Originally Posted by Suut View Post
    As I have said elsewhere, our spiritual ties, the common ancestry of our respective spiritualities, have been severed per stirpes.
    If that is the case, then the Gordian Knot severed by the unthinking blow of Alexander will be re-tied.
    Per Stirpes implies that Aryanism has died, and that the branches [or 'stirpes'] have each now a separate inheritance parcelled out by 'equal share'.
    An attractive simile, but inappropriate as Aryanism has not died, and there is no executor who can arrogate the position of doling out this inheritance.

    Only the gods can do that - and the Aryan gods are not dead - can't you hear the rage of Odin on the winds?

    One must either affirm or deny that we have everything we need in the remnants of Arya Evropa to advance any manner of metaprocession.
    We only deny what is not Aryan; we do not reduce ourselves to any "remnants".
    The Aryan conquers and colonises as he goes, seeding the world with his Higher Culture.
    And if those feet, in ancient times, strode across continents, then his footprints remain, as he strides the wer-ald like a colossus.

    The Aryan has a reponsibility to all those lands he has seeded.

    Seeded, not ceded.

    I - for one - therefore, and thereby, draw a line between what might be called 'West Arya' and 'East Arya'.
    But where do you draw that line, Suut. Where and when?

    What do you place on either side of the 'divided line' - and how 'thick' is that line?

    Who is the map-maker here?

    This sounds like the scuttle and run of de-colonisation.

    Some manner of practical consideration must be made for the cause of thoughts and their consequences, in so far as 'wars' must be waged in their name. This is, in itself, a metaconsideration: the calculation, condensation and accumulation of ripedness.
    The Fruit of Evropa is sweet enough.
    The will-to-power can never be so satisfied.
    What is sweetness to us?
    Let us quench ourselves 'pon tartness.

    And if we withdraw from such lofty considerations as you wish to, then let us not be blind to the fact that Europe herself may be uninhabitable in the future, just as she was largely during the last great Ice Age.

    Our ambitions cannot be bound by a small promontory like Europe.
    We should look on re-taking the world's largest continents - gaining them for Aryan hands just as Aryan feet had once walked upon them.

    He who seeks a (re)unification of the spiritual East with the spiritual West by the demonstrable existence of a once common root, must - if we are right about Race-Soul - seek to (re)unify per stirpes.
    The Return is inevitable anyway - the giant hourglass will be upended and the Aryan blood will flow back like sand into the east and from the east back into the west.
    The World belongs to the Aryan soul.
    All other race-souls can only serve the Aryan.

    Why else is the Semite engaged in an eternal war against the Aryan?
    Why else did the Semite want so desperately to defeat the Germanic/Nordic Odinist Experiment of Adolf Hitler?

    Why else does the Semite want to keep the Continent of Columbus in its hands?

    Either the Aryan rules or he dies: he can never serve.

    Unless - we have everything we need per capita in Evropa...I say we have enough to trump the Indic in favour of ourselves.
    "Enough"?
    I have little patience for such parsimony.

    The Aryan has at least two immediate duties;
    (i) to find the lost Aryan Homeland, and
    (ii) to rule all the continents of the earth before the next Ice Age - just as He did in past cycles.

    And metaanalysis should serve as a vehicle for flicking off unwanted spiders.
    What spiders don't you want?

    They won't - and don't - go around howling about it, however. Is there anything MORE secretive, and worthy of secret, than one's own atavism? "...it is indecent to show all five fingers..." - those who do, are usually missing a digit or two.
    There are those who always show five fingers - on the hilt of their sword.


    Any 'religion' that is preceeded by the blowing of trumpets will fail.
    I do not consider this a mere 'religion'.
    Out of interest, do you have any 'whys' and 'becauses' to support your interesting assertions?
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    The divide is there, who is hankering after a great unity. We are happy the way we are, and not doing badly either. It is only the roots which interests me. You know Indra only from our books. Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva stand replaced by Brahman for some of us. Sankara reinvigorated the theory in the eighth century, and that is mine too. Hinduism does not steam roller differing beliefs of its adherents. Sorry, Nietzsche and Evola, whatever they said, are not for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aupmanyav View Post
    Arrian:
    Hinduism is christian .. : Dont understand, would anyone please explain?
    He meant organisations like ISKCON that conveniently use Krishna's name while meaning Christ in India, and vice-versa in our countries. Or more succinctly, "Islam was spread by the sword and Christianity by bread".
    I think equality and pity is foreign to the Vedic spirit, and I am sure there are many bitter tales to be heard how a communist government came to sell out the interests of your country starting with equality and reservations since their coming to power last year, and all this in the name of 'economic reforms'.
    I can't imagine a people of truly Vedic warrior spirit would watch by such vote-bank politics. I gather another sad consequence of that fact being, hindu wealth is subsidized for Haj, while your communist governments break up many temples and some are in the process of being nationalised. More robbery!

    This is very true for a sect of people .. : Hinduism defeated Buddhism once, it would do it again. We are not worried. When they were hindus, they accepted Vedas, they would do it again. Only the ignorant are impatient. Buddhism itself is only a variant of Hinduism. That is the reason Ambedkar opted for it and not for Christianity or Islam.
    I agree with Buddhism being a variant of Hinduism, but do not see Ambedkar as a representative of that fact.

    Sorry, Nietzsche and Evola, whatever they said, are not for us.
    I believe there is nothing in the Vedas, that Nietzsche did not also say, - merely a matter of mother-tongue.
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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless View Post
    If that is the case, then the Gordian Knot severed by the unthinking blow of Alexander will be re-tied.
    Tie it then - to the detriment of your own blood and Race-Soul, therefore.

    Per Stirpes
    implies that Aryanism has died, and that the branches [or 'stirpes'] have each now a separate inheritance parcelled out by 'equal share'.
    It is a mistake to confuse the usurpation and subsequent abrogation of this designation via the 'trade and goods' melee as a simile of Human equivalency values. It does, however, have the primordial meaning that your afore mentioned metaphor of the "arc" is indeed so as fragment; and the missing components, while diasporic, hold only the connection to Aryan India that we choose to recognise. This is plain enough, so long as one recognises that if in any one given Race-Soul - and therefore bloodline - contains the whole of Arya (if it is indeed indivisible as you imply; if it is indeed accessed via metempsychosis, as you have stated), then we have no need for the Indic remnants (diaspora).

    In fact, Moody, there need only be one Aryan left, for the whole thing to become again. And, perhaps this, is how it goes.

    An attractive simile, but inappropriate as Aryanism has not died, and there is no executor who can arrogate the position of doling out this inheritance.

    Only the gods can do that - and the Aryan gods are not dead - can't you hear the rage of Odin on the winds?
    How Indic: again with the aleatory economic metaphors! - the dole is meted each and every time we say 'thus and thus' are Aryan. Your title to this thread is a partially meted dole.

    I hear his rage. Can you hear his secrets?

    Are you not willed godflesh?

    Where do your thought-things reside if not in godhead?


    Don't you have access to them?


    We only deny what is not Aryan; we do not reduce ourselves to any "remnants".
    This is a good spot for a quality/quantity distinction.

    The Aryan conquers and colonises as he goes, seeding the world with his Higher Culture.
    And if those feet, in ancient times, strode across continents, then his footprints remain, as he strides the wer-ald like a colossus.
    "I think that people who speak in metaphors should shampoo my crotch" (Melvin Udall).

    In instances such as your above statement I tend to defer to Mr. Udall. My tether to the Earth doesn't allow such Romanticism. It smells of a fairy-tale, and there are heavier things to be lifted than such a book, for me, anyway.


    The Aryan has a reponsibility to all those lands he has seeded.

    Seeded, not ceded.
    He does? But what of the gods!


    But where do you draw that line, Suut. Where and when?

    The same place and time you do: where and when there is that which is not Aryan.


    Who is the map-maker here?
    The map makes itself in so far as Arya concerns such things as "maps". I know Sophistry, too, Moody - metaphor is the weapon instead of dialectic: wouldn't the question rather be "who is NOT the map maker here?" - given that "We only deny what is not Aryan"?

    This sounds like the scuttle and run of de-colonisation.
    Show me the "map."


    The will-to-power can never be so satisfied.
    What is sweetness to us?
    Let us quench ourselves 'pon tartness.
    The will to Power is not a thing in itself. It is balanced by the Power to will.

    Take a swig o' the Ganges - you'll have your tartness.

    And if we withdraw from such lofty considerations as you wish to...
    Eh!?


    The Return is inevitable anyway - the giant hourglass will be upended ... The World belongs to the Aryan soul.
    All other race-souls can only serve the Aryan.

    Why else is the Semite engaged in an eternal war against the Aryan?
    Why else did the Semite want so desperately to defeat the Germanic/Nordic Odinist Experiment of Adolf Hitler?

    Why else does the Semite want to keep the Continent of Columbus in its hands?

    Either the Aryan rules or he dies: he can never serve.
    I agree.



    "Enough"?
    I have little patience for such parsimony.

    The Aryan has at least two immediate duties;
    (i) to find the lost Aryan Homeland, and
    (ii) to rule all the continents of the earth before the next Ice Age - just as He did in past cycles.
    We, in the now, have enough to begin tangible change in the hearts and minds of our peoples: you're getting a little too priestly for my taste in the delegation of duties. Moreover, you self-reduce 'Aryan' to an infinitesimally small quantity; which while true, must needs reconciled with your Germanophilia.


    What spiders don't you want?
    Non-poisonous ones. And you?


    There are those who always show five fingers - on the hilt of their sword.
    Yea. Like Don Quixote! - you know what I meant.


    Out of interest, do you have any 'whys' and 'becauses' to support your interesting assertions?
    Billions of them. What would you like to know that you already don't?
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    Re: What Belongs to Aryan Metaphysics? [Split From Aryanism and Chines

    Arrian, ISKON is just a fringe. Do you know Prabhupada did not annoint any of his disciples as Acharya. It is a tradition in India, passing Acharya appoints some one as the next. So, what their people say does not have any authority, it seems none was found to be good enough. There is equality as well as unequality. Unequality in the observed world, and equality in Brahman. Of course, pity is for those who do not understand Brahman.

    We do not worry about problems of the day. One who gets perturbed easily is a Shudra (classical defination). Better people keep their composure. Probably reservation is doing some good to a section of the people. We take Ambedkar also in the same spirit. Economic reforms also are OK and this is how we would stand firm in international market. Mittals now have half the steel business, Tatas are aiming for the rest. Today we have this government, tomorrow we will have that. But democracy is precious and it should rule supreme, the best governing principle, one person, one vote. I will quote a verse from Iqbal, the national poet of Pakistan, before he turned rabid:

    Kuchh baat hai ki hasti mitati nahin hamari,
    Sadiyon raha hai dushman daur-e-zaman hamara.
    (There is something in our existence that it does not die,
    Though times have been against us for many centuries.)

    Regards.

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