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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    Quote Originally Posted by An Dearg Doom
    Eitherway, I accept that your views come as a result of your own nationality,
    It's not that I don't care about the Irish, I certainly do. But because I'm not Irish, I really cannot approach the issue with the same seriousness and clarity than you would approach.

    nevertheless I should hope that if it came to the question of Ukranian soverignty, etc, for me, I would come down on the side of those who are morally right, regardless of race/religion/anything.
    Well whats your position on the Ukraine? Maybe I can steer you in the right direction.

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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    Well, tell me your opinion on the Ukraine and I shall ask a Ukranian I know for his opinion, and then, both considered I shall form my very own

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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    It's not that I don't care about the Irish, I certainly do. But because I'm not Irish, I really cannot approach the issue with the same seriousness and clarity than you would approach.
    You expect the Irish to have clarity??? Wow who dropped you on your head? If the Irish had clarity or any sense at all they would put down the alcohol and stop killing each other ... However the world has been waiting a very long time for Ireland to just stop. Hasn't happened yet. I say we let the IRA work ... England should just step aside, and get out. Then we can all watch the Irish kill themselves through mass non white immigration thanks to the IRA. These are confused people. I mean They want Ireland for the Irish and at the same time they want to pump is full of non whites.

    That is the other thing, clarity? From people who starved to death because they made all the potatoes into alcohol instead of just @#%#$% eating them?? hehe sorry ..

    Ok that is my rant.

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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    Contrary to your misconceptions, the Irish are not perpetually intoxicated nor will you be blown to pieces by a bomb walking down the street. You are statistically more likely to be savaged by a sheep in Connemara than have your head blown off. The Republic of Ireland is still far safer than say downtown Chicago.

    Also, your concept of the IRA being the death of Ireland and being solely responsible for non-white immigration has little basis in reality. are we to believe the British government does not encourage non-white immigration then? Perhaps Ireland should seek a return to British rule and all our problems will be solved then? Britain has far higher levels of non-white immigration. Ireland has no equivalents of English cities like Bradford which have over 85% non-white populations.

    Perhaps if the Six Counties of NE Ulster hadn't been under military occupations, or the Catholic white Irish been treated as 2nd class citizens in their own land, then the Irish could focus on issues such as immigration.

    Unfortunately when familes have been torn apart from state-sponsered assasinations, discrimination, imprisonment without trial , 5 year old children being abused everday going to school, police assaulting children on sectarian grounds, graves being desecrated, explosives planted at school gates, etc etc, they find it difficult to focus on little else.


    It would be nice to think we could just forget it all, and turn a blind eye to the fact that it is still going on, but I'm afraid that thinking belongs to the realms of fantasy


    Quote Originally Posted by Demigorgona
    You expect the Irish to have clarity??? Wow who dropped you on your head? If the Irish had clarity or any sense at all they would put down the alcohol and stop killing each other ... However the world has been waiting a very long time for Ireland to just stop. Hasn't happened yet. I say we let the IRA work ... England should just step aside, and get out. Then we can all watch the Irish kill themselves through mass non white immigration thanks to the IRA. These are confused people. I mean They want Ireland for the Irish and at the same time they want to pump is full of non whites.

    That is the other thing, clarity? From people who starved to death because they made all the potatoes into alcohol instead of just @#%#$% eating them?? hehe sorry ..

    Ok that is my rant.
    Last edited by Milesian; Sunday, March 28th, 2004 at 12:17 AM.

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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    #1 Nationalist
    #2 Republican
    #3 moderate Nationalist
    #4 liberal Unionist
    #5 politically neutral
    #6 for an Independent Northern Ireland
    #7 hard-core Unionist/Loyalist
    #8 Unionist

    Ireland should be Irish, just like Serbia should be Serbian.

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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    #1 Nationalist
    #2 Republican
    #3 moderate Nationalist
    #4 liberal Unionist
    #5 politically neutral
    #6 for an Independent Northern Ireland
    #7 hard-core Unionist/Loyalist
    #8 Unionist

    Ireland should be Irish, just like Serbia should be Serbian.
    Simple words but more true than anything previously said here.
    Well spoken, sir

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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    Quote Originally Posted by Demigorgona
    You expect the Irish to have clarity??? Wow who dropped you on your head? If the Irish had clarity or any sense at all they would put down the alcohol and stop killing each other
    You speak of "clarity", LOL..There is not one clear though in your head, you charge around the various boards like a lunatic, preaching whatever presant delusion takes your fancy.


    ... However the world has been waiting a very long time for Ireland to just stop. Hasn't happened yet. I say we let the IRA work ... England should just step aside, and get out. Then we can all watch the Irish kill themselves through mass non white immigration thanks to the IRA. These are confused people. I mean They want Ireland for the Irish and at the same time they want to pump is full of non whites.
    We are 'confused' alright, confused, that people like you, and your kind (Idiots who live in North America, and who it would seem, have never bothered to read a History book) exist.

    That is the other thing, clarity? From people who starved to death because they made all the potatoes into alcohol instead of just @#%#$% eating them?? hehe sorry ..

    Ok that is my rant.
    Maybe the 'wcotc' will come to rescue us

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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    Quote Originally Posted by An Dearg Doom
    Well, tell me your opinion on the Ukraine and I shall ask a Ukranian I know for his opinion, and then, both considered I shall form my very own
    Well I guess to sum up my position, I'll use a quote from Nikolai Gogol:
    "I myself do not know whether my soul is Ukrainian or Russian. I know only that on no account would I give priority to the Little Russian before the Russian, or to the Russian before the Little Russian. Both natures are too richly endowed by God, and, as if by design, each of them seperately contains within itself what the other lacks - a sure sign that they complment one another."

    Indeed that is the main question of Ukrainian soverignity; what is Ukraine's relation to Russia? I believe that while Russians and Ukrainian are very similar, they are also distinctly different. Both are inheriters of Kieven Rus, but yet they are not directly the same. So while I believe that Russia and Ukraine belong in the same geo-political/civilizational bloc; that does not make them necessarily the same. Interesting, some have compared Ukraine's relations to Russia with that of Scotland's relations with England. And indeed many Ukrainians like Taras Shevchenko had sympathy and admiration for the Scots and Irish and their struggle for independence.

    I believe in an independent Ukraine thats geo-politically allied or autonomous within the Russian sphere of influence basically. So I guess I'm in the middle between the overt Russophiles(like Gogol) and the overt Russophobes(like Shevchenko).

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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    Quote Originally Posted by INS
    You speak of "clarity", LOL..There is not one clear though in your head, you charge around the various boards like a lunatic, preaching whatever presant delusion takes your fancy.
    Yes you are right, I can't help what my various personalities think at any given time. *rolls eyes*


    We are 'confused' alright, confused, that people like you, and your kind (Idiots who live in North America, and who it would seem, have never bothered to read a History book) exist.
    Why are Europeans so brain dead when it comes to hating North Americans? Ok the land mass you live on has nothing to do with superiority. Superiority has to do with genetics and the way you have been raised in conjunction.

    Now did you have any actual points you have to refute me or just insults? That shows a lack of intelligence btw.

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    Post Re: Northern Ireland Political Selector

    Quote Originally Posted by Demigorgona
    You expect the Irish to have clarity??? Wow who dropped you on your head?
    Nobody dropped me. I know full well the many complexities involving Northern Ireland. I understand this from first hand experiance with the question of Ukraine, is Ukraine part of Russia or is it a seperate nation. Also within the question of Russia's identity itself theres complexities of whether Russia is part of the West or part of the East. So yes I find much affirmity with the Irish, especially when it comes to complex questions of national identity.

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