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    What are some peoples thoughts on the school of thought known as Futurism? To those who don't know what Futurism is, this should help you:


    http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/

    Futurism was an international art movement founded in Italy in 1909. It was (and is) a refreshing contrast to the weepy sentimentalism of Romanticism. The Futurists loved speed, noise, machines, pollution, and cities; they embraced the exciting new world that was then upon them rather than hypocritically enjoying the modern world’s comforts while loudly denouncing the forces that made them possible. Fearing and attacking technology has become almost second nature to many people today; the Futurist manifestos show us an alternative philosophy.


    And then the Futurist Manifesto

    http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/manifesto.html

    1. We intend to sing the love of danger, the habit of energy and fearlessness.

    2. Courage, audacity, and revolt will be essential elements of our poetry.

    3. Up to now literature has exalted a pensive immobility, ecstasy, and sleep. We intend to exalt aggresive action, a feverish insomnia, the racer’s stride, the mortal leap, the punch and the slap.

    4. We affirm that the world’s magnificence has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. A racing car whose hood is adorned with great pipes, like serpents of explosive breath—a roaring car that seems to ride on grapeshot is more beautiful than the Victory of Samothrace.

    5. We want to hymn the man at the wheel, who hurls the lance of his spirit across the Earth, along the circle of its orbit.

    6. The poet must spend himself with ardor, splendor, and generosity, to swell the enthusiastic fervor of the primordial elements.

    7. Except in struggle, there is no more beauty. No work without an aggressive character can be a masterpiece. Poetry must be conceived as a violent attack on unknown forces, to reduce and prostrate them before man.

    8. We stand on the last promontory of the centuries!... Why should we look back, when what we want is to break down the mysterious doors of the Impossible? Time and Space died yesterday. We already live in the absolute, because we have created eternal, omnipresent speed.

    9. We will glorify war—the world’s only hygiene—militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of freedom-bringers, beautiful ideas worth dying for, and scorn for woman.

    10. We will destroy the museums, libraries, academies of every kind, will fight moralism, feminism, every opportunistic or utilitarian cowardice.

    11. We will sing of great crowds excited by work, by pleasure, and by riot; we will sing of the multicolored, polyphonic tides of revolution in the modern capitals; we will sing of the vibrant nightly fervor of arsenals and shipyards blazing with violent electric moons; greedy railway stations that devour smoke-plumed serpents; factories hung on clouds by the crooked lines of their smoke; bridges that stride the rivers like giant gymnasts, flashing in the sun with a glitter of knives; adventurous steamers that sniff the horizon; deep-chested locomotives whose wheels paw the tracks like the hooves of enormous steel horses bridled by tubing; and the sleek flight of planes whose propellers chatter in the wind like banners and seem to cheer like an enthusiastic crowd.

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    Overall I'm more of a Traditionalist and not a Futurist. Theres much I agree with in the Futurist Manifesto, especially point #9:

    9. We will glorify war—the world’s only hygiene—militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of freedom-bringers, beautiful ideas worth dying for, and scorn for woman.

    However those concepts and along with the other elements of Futurism that I agree with(love of courage and war, hatred of feminism, opportunistic or utilitarian cowardice etc.) can be found in Traditionalist thinking.

    I staunchly opposed the Futurist blind worship of technology. I'm not opposed to technology per se, but blind worship and overreliance on it is not the way to go. Technology does not move the wheel of history, it is philosophy and social factors that influence how history moves. Indeed it those elements that influence how technology develops. I uphold the traditional view of technology being a tool and servant to man; not man being servent of the machine. In terms of technology, I'm more of a reactionary modernist; not opposed to technology but believing it should serve traditional means.

    I also oppose the Futurist disregard for the past and all traditions. I find this repulsive. I oppose the futurist disregard for religion(especially Christianity).

    I oppose the over-glorification of the city by thr futurists. Again, being a reactionary Modernist; I believe in a balance between urban and rural. I oppose futurism that over-glorifies the urban but I also have little tolerance for Luddites, who over-glorify the rural. Both serve their purposes to the Folk.

    10. We will destroy the museums, libraries, academies of every kind,

    I certainly oppose this. I do believe in destroying the secularist cultural Marxism that dominates those institutions; but the institutions themselves are not the problem.

    So this is my overall view on Futurism; or at least this version of it. I certainly have strong opposition to modern-day futurism like what you read about in "Wired" magazine.

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    Post Re: Futurism

    It seems that you always want it both ways, Pushkin!

    That Futurism was the aesthetic of Fascism opens up another distinction between Fascism and National Socialism.

    The aesthetic of N-S was Neoclassical.

    So where one stands on the aesthetic will tell whether one is a Fascist of a N-S.

    I personally am very much a Neoclassicist and find Futurism to be so much empty bluster and rhetoric.
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    Post Re: Futurism

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    It seems that you always want it both ways, Pushkin!
    What do you mean?

    Also understand I'm a Slav. Berdyaev in his "Russian Idea" talks about how the Russian can hold positions that contradict each other and find no problem with it. For example, Dostoevesky was a staunch nationalist and xenophobe; yet continually insisted on his deep love for all humanity. So the Russian(or even Slavs in general) are both staunchly particularist and univeralist at the same time.

    The aesthetic of N-S was Neoclassical.
    Hmmmn.....Rivera thought differently. He said that while Fascism was neo-classical, NS was Romantic.

    I personally am very much a Neoclassicist
    Theres much I admire in Neo-classicism, but overall I'd say I'm a Romantic or a Neoclassical Romantic(yes which did exist in France).

    and find Futurism to be so much empty bluster and rhetoric.
    I agree!

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    Post Re: Futurism

    Pushkin; "Theres much I admire in Neo-classicism, but overall I'd say I'm a Romantic or a Neoclassical Romantic(yes which did exist in France)".


    Moody; I don't doubt that; Neoclassicism [as opposed to Classicism] was a product of the Romantic era. The great Romantics were also neoclassicists.

    The contradiction is not between romantic and neoclassicist;
    The contradiction arises between Traditionalist and Futurist.

    I find it hard to believe that a Traditionalist would find ANYTHING to agree with in the Futurist Manifesto!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    I find it hard to believe that a Traditionalist would find ANYTHING to agree with in the Futurist Manifesto!
    As I said, what I do agree with in Futurism there are equals in traditionalism. One does not need to be a Futurist to believe in this

    9. We will glorify war—the world’s only hygiene—militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of freedom-bringers, beautiful ideas worth dying for, and scorn for woman.


    Overall I hate Futurism, yet whatever good is in it I believe they stole from Traditionalism.

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    Post Re: Futurism

    You need to check this out, it's pretty wild! This futurist guy has all these detailed predictions for the future (most of which I hope never come true, but, as you'll see when you read them, many certainly won't. ) One exception: "Hollywood shaken to its roots!" Now there's one I'd like to see come true. Anyway, I'd take prehistoric times over the future any day.

    http://www.jrmooneyham.com/spint.html

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    ROTFL Oh that was a good one! Thank you for that. I guess this guy doesn't realize that it's ideas and not technology that moves the course of history. Indeed ideas drive how technology develops. So technological determinism is absolute BS!

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    Post Re: Futurism

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    As I said, what I do agree with in Futurism there are equals in traditionalism. One does not need to be a Futurist to believe in this

    9. We will glorify war—the world’s only hygiene—militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of freedom-bringers, beautiful ideas worth dying for, and scorn for woman.


    Overall I hate Futurism, yet whatever good is in it I believe they stole from Traditionalism.
    Scorn for woman?
    That sounds highly suspicious!
    Last edited by Moody; Friday, March 12th, 2004 at 06:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Scorn for woman?
    That sounds highly suspicious!
    Obviously you haven't seen my misogyny on this forum!

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