American Military Presence in Germany / Continuing Allied Occupation of Germany

[Boche]

EDIT: I just moved this from the thread about Saddam Hussein's execution, as I thought it would be of interest for those ignorant about the present status of American military presence in Germany [like me]. Oswiu

He is no victim - and this US-Israeli imperialism does only exist in your phantasies.

Yes right, the excessive occupations of more and more countries and indoctrinating of western ideas is also only phantasy right?

It's the Germans themselves taking away any sort of pride and self-esteem. I met many Americans - they were not happy to see Germany this depressed.

As children, the school and the society affects you alot, you only realize how they humilated them later on.

It's not the Americans teaching all this crap, it's the German leftist-liberals.

I agree partly on that. But the media ideas and the "morality" values come straight of the USAmerican media.

Then you are not alone - but what made them come here? Have you though about that - Freethinker?

Their gouverment, not "we".

It would be a new thing when occupiers would have less than more rights.

It's not about less rights. It's about that they have more rights than the folk itself. And the war is since 61 years over. So what's the reason to still occupy us? Care to explain?


With the rest i can agree on.



Gruß,
Svartr

[Jäger]

I agree partly on that. But the media ideas and the "morality" values come straight of the USAmerican media.

Not only that, after the war all big media CEOs and political party leaders were appointed by the Allies, mainly Americans (in the west that is), which they choose after their political "leftist-liberal" orientation.
Of course this tradition keeps on working, it is just normal that one would want a successor similar in beliefs.
They eradicated any nationalistic opposition, then free speech and freedom of the press is easy to grant. How could such small papers compete with allied backed Springer Verlag and shit?

The multi-culture lovers in high positions are a side effect of these politics.

It's not about less rights. It's about that they have more rights than the folk itself. And the war is since 61 years over. So what's the reason to still occupy us? Care to explain?

Funny thing is, they actually promised to leave to Poland, or somewhere east, to "New-Europe", in my home city they all started to think about plans for the soon to be empty barracks etc.
TV-Shows everywhere how small local shops might suffer etc.

What now? These guys are still here, no one left, my grandma is now constantly bitching over them, like "I told you"

[Aptrgangr]

He did?

Yes.

Don´t worry, as long as they didn´t introduce bullshit like democracy there, you have nothing to be ashamed of.

I am not worried. I am not responsible for what they did. And the one having been involved in massmurder and crimes against humanity has been hung in Bohemia.

Yes right, the excessive occupations of more and more countries and indoctrinating of western ideas is also only phantasy right?

I do not see an excessive occupation, I see widespread anti-Americanism, be it in Germany, GB or elsewhere. Of course, those protesters do not hesitate to wear American clothing and eating at certain American fast-food stores after having protested American cultural imperialism and burning American flags...

As children, the school and the society affects you alot, you only realize how they humilated them later on.

This babbling at school never impressed me much. I origin of leftist-liberal parents, I never have been taught to think independent. I studied reality and drew conclusions. The only thing I regret is I stood up too late at school, in the last year at high-school I boycotted lessons for one than one time!

I agree partly on that. But the media ideas and the "morality" values come straight of the USAmerican media.

Since you seem to be an expert with issue you sure have an explaination why there is widespread refusal of American "values", "moral" and wars in German TV. How benfit Jews of reports of Israeli crimes in Palestine and Lebanon?

Their gouverment, not "we".

Interesting, so the US government just decided to invade Germany in the early 40s or what?

It's not about less rights. It's about that they have more rights than the folk itself.

When it comes to less rights it automatically includes someone has more rights since we are not debating about equal rights.

And the war is since 61 years over.

Yes and No. De facto a peace-treaty never has been subscribed.

So what's the reason to still occupy us?

To make us open the gates for Muslim immigrants, collect Hulk Hogan stickers and eat tons of hamburgers.

Care to explain?

It's part of their geostrategical concept. Since SU collapsed most troops have been withdrawn anyway.
The wors thing is the Germans have their minds occupied. A strong moral boycotts patroling GIs here and pays scorn to them.

What's the deal with that? I didn't mention the Jews in the above post. Not to mention I'm not a friend of conspiracy theories.

You started with stating crap like Saddam Hussein had babies for breakfast. Since I know the typical conspiracy theories I just wanted to post a persiflage.

Do you post on this board to badmouth nationalists and their beliefs,

I never did. Read more carfully.

and to show us how ~wrong~ we are when we expose Jewish crimes against gentiles? Well, good luck with that

You want to tell me you are a nationalist? What makes you being a nationalist?
Show me just one quote of me where I stated I agree with Jewish crimes.

This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time! Nice to see the terrorists got Saddam, eh?

They are terrorists? I read about noble Iraqi resistance fighters all the time.

They hanged him instead of beheading him, but is there any doubt the executioners are in the same business?

Your lack of knowledge and education is symptomatic.
It's not the Shiite militias beheading people - not that their death squadrons would be nice people though. It's the Sunni Arab insurgents spreading the most terror --- thet the Shiite response would not be just prayers does not surprise me.

And Iran is celebrating!!!

Of course they do. they had to suffer much, including attackst with chemical weapons.

The Islamic fundamentalists Saddam oppressed are celebrating!

Of course tehy do. Saddam Hussein started his career as atheistic and secular dictator - ending up as Sunni-wananbee fundamentalist. They never believed he was a real Muslim despite he made pilgrimages to Shiah shrines.

This is a huge victory for the terrorists.

Is it? So at once Iranians are terrorists, despite they oppose ZOG imperialism?
I think it is gratification for those having lost their children, wifes etc. pp.

Oh, I forgot, it only matters that Saddam got what he "deserved" for his "crimes"

Murderes have to be hung, no matter of gender, age, race and so on.

[Haldís]

Funny thing, Aptrangrs ancestors are Allied occupation soldiers.

so he knows both sides and could come to an unbiased and informed opinion.

[Haldís]

It's not about less rights. It's about that they have more rights than the folk itself. And the war is since 61 years over. So what's the reason to still occupy us? Care to explain?

Germany ain't occupied any longer. it is fully sovereign since 1991. i agree that the U.S. should leave and germany should get its own nuclear arms but let's not play naive and pretend that America is occupying or running germany because you don't like the policies or decisions of your gov't. Like Poland, Italy, Turkey or Saudi Arabia Germany permits American bases on its soil... this does not mean it is still occupied.

[Haldís]

Impossible. Reason: to controled my western media.

The U.S. doesn't run the western media... it also doesn't run the german media.

I could tell alot of horror stories by me and family concerning american occupants back in 45 and nowadays.

everybody knows horror stories from the war. war is always a horror and a tragedy. it's time that we move on and stop hating and fighting each other because of our gov'ts.... all our gov'ts have been hijacked by traitors, and mine long before yours.

if the U.S. troops left Germany tomorrow nothing would change. you would still be stuck with the same government, the same media, the same system, the same liberals and socialists in power... they aren't American or run by America.

[Æmeric]

You should take a visit to the territories in germany where americans have their own villages and military around, with their own malls and shops and restaurants - where you are NOT allowed as german to buy there, since they ask you for your american ID card.

I assume your talking about military housing compounds & shopping centers. They have them here in America also, they're restricted to Military personal & their dependents, not the local civilian population. I remember the benefit of using the Navy Exchange in San Diego (where I had to show my military ID card) is that there was no California or local sales tax charged on purchases. There's probably the same tax advantage for the local American families using the US Military Base stores in Germany which is probably why the FRG government doesn't want the locals using it.

[Haldís]

Of corpse.... err of course you're not running our politics "literally".

And NO, Germany has its "Constitution" made by the occupants. The german folk still has not it's own Constitution. So basically we're controlled by the occupants which would be the US-Americans.

Germans could enact a new constitution at any time.... the germans discussed this in the early 90's.... they decided to carry on with the "basic law" for the time being but that was their own decision, not the decision of America.... the German liberals and socialists thought it served them well.... Germans could at any time give themselves another constitution... there are no institutions of "occupants" interfering with German lawmaking or law enforcement and there are also no allied control institutions.... what you state is simply not correct.

[Haldís]

Read my post again please, would you enjoy it going to a city in the USA and want to buy something and then they ask you for a german ID Card, else you can't buy it?
Or american military police stopping you as german, know that you're german but expect from you to talk fluent english and call you "Kraut" all the time.
Then you know what would change. Should we also start talking about all the americans here who take german girls and make them pregnant and later they go back to the USA or Iraq and don't care about the woman and leave them behind. Also rapings of german women by US Soldiers aren't rare anymore.

I'm not against americans. But they should stay where they belong.

i agree with you, Svatr. i think germany should become a self-conscious player on the international stage. it should leave, cancel or renegotiate the treaties, ask america to withdraw its troops and get its own nuclear arsenal.

but all U.S. bases in germany exist because of bilateral and multilateral treaties (eg NATO).... ie because the german gov't wants the U.S. presence in Germany. it even pays for it... i lived for almost 5 years in germany and many germans do not want nuclear arms or a strong German army (most thought i am nuts to suggest it ) because they are still suffering from a Hitler complex. they are afraid of a strong and independent germany... they are afraid of themselves... many are so liberal and pacifist that they do not want to have any military in fact.

so this is a german problem.... it's a problem the germans have to solve... they must develop a healthy patriotism again and get a gov't that acts in the best interest of its people.... but Germany is not occupied any longer... the germans can at any time decide that they do no longer want U.S. bases on their soil (as the French did)... and as the germans did in the case of the Russian troops. it's just the policy of today's German gov't to be a model pupil in the NATO and to cooperate closely with america....

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

The German Army actually has at least one base in the USA. I have been to it. It is just north of Los Angeles in an industrial area. I was lost and just walked in to ask for directions. I was told I was on a German military base. I just kept talking, hoping to get directions. It was not a large place and probably used for some purposes of equipment. This cannot possibly compare with the American military bases in Germany.