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    IQ Population Genetics

    IQ Population Genetics:
    It’s not as Simple as You Think


    Gerhard Meisenberg1
    Ross University, Dominica

    "The question of cognitive differences between human populations is one of the most contentious issues in the study of human diversity. After reviewing the worldwide patterns of cognitive test performance, this article evaluates alternative causal hypotheses and evolutionary mechanisms.

    Racial affiliation and latitude correlate with IQ test performance, as does economic development. Religion, a history of colonialism, and a history of Communist rule are important in some cases. This article proposes mechanisms of gene-culture co-evolution that can explain the worldwide patterns. The genetic component of these mechanisms is likely to become testable with further advances in molecular genetics."

    Key Words: Evolution; Intelligence; Population genetics; Brain size; Race differences; Natural selection; Polymorphism; Mutational load; Geneculture
    coevolution.

    Meisenberg, Gerhard, "IQ Population Genetics: It's not as Simple as You Think," Vol. XLV No. 2, Winter 2004, pp. 185-210 [Full Text, pdf].

    The Mankind Quarterly: http://www.mankindquarterly.org/samplearticles.html

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    Re: IQ Population Genetics

    Edgar J. Steel's book on this subject "Defensive Racism" is a good read.

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    Latitude correlates with IQ. What a surprise! And what a nice way to put it. I have another way. I will bet it has no statistical relationship to latitude except between Africans and non-Africans. I will bet in either sub-group there is little or no correlation. But, if both groups are considered as a whole, well, then there is a big correlation. This is not because of some latitude factor but because of Africans and non-Africans being two distinct and seperate larger divisions of humanity. They are a division, in my mind, even larger than geographic subspecies. In other words, within the African group, I doubt that there is any correlation between IQ and latitude. And, I'll bet, that for non-Africans (excluding perhaps Australian Aboriginies) there is very little correlation of IQ with latitude. It is only when the two are combined as one group that this spurious correlation appears.

    For this and many other reasons, I think a case can be made for two species, Africans and non-Africans. This is not in the sense of biologic reproductive isolation but using other measures sometimes employed by biologists in determining species.

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    Re: IQ Population Genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    For this and many other reasons, I think a case can be made for two species, Africans and non-Africans. This is not in the sense of biologic reproductive isolation but using other measures sometimes employed by biologists in determining species.
    I would agree that latitude is a non-sensical scale for I.Q. distribution.

    And I agree that the two major subdivisions in organic life are - Temperate and Tropical.

    What is a shame is that modern day academia seems to think this rule of thumb does not apply to the Human Kingdom.

    However, the article is an interesting way to generate some debate concerning I.Q. statistics:

    - Do I.Q. tests actually measure Intelligence?

    - Considering that I.Q. stats have only be collected for about 80 years, is it fair to say that we have enough data to conclude I.Q. disparities between racial groups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    Yes, I think so but the subject of IQ testing is a loaded one and never approached properly. Blacks claim a cultural disadvantage, yet American Indians, much more impoverished, score higher than blacks.

    But, if there is any question about cultural/social issues with IQ tests for blacks and whites, simply have Chinese design and test blacks and whites in America, Europeans and Africans in their native countries and we could solve this whole problem quickly and fairly. We could even reverse this and have Europeans and/or Africans design tests for Chinese. There is a statistical test for the numbers needed to make the sample valid.
    I would agree I.Q. tests are problematic.

    What is intriguing, however, is how two different people who share similar I.Q. scores are totally disparate in terms of cultural achievement.

    Example 1 - Europeans and Asians
    The International Space Station was conceived and built by Europeans, and not the higher avg I.Q. Asians.

    Example 2 - Europeans and Jews
    Both groups have an avg I.Q. hovering between 95 and 105, and yet if one was to compare the quantity and quality of cultural heritage, their is no such similarity.

    How can this be?

    What I suspect, is that there is something else to Intelligence which is not measured by I.Q. Tests.

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    Re: IQ Population Genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbionMP View Post
    What I suspect, is that there is something else to Intelligence which is not measured by I.Q. Tests.
    There is a thread somewhere on the forum with a link to some article recognising this, and discussing the racial differences in inventiveness among other things like differing proportions and narrower ranges of IQ for a race. Good luck in finding it though! Perhaps another member can help put us in the right direction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbionMP View Post
    Example 1 - Europeans and Asians
    The International Space Station was conceived and built by Europeans, and not the higher avg I.Q. Asians.
    You would be surprised what a huge ammount of scientists in the USA are actually Asians who were paid to come to the USA. In some fields such as biology it is already about one third. Though I think it is rather a problem that they suck the intelligence out of their native countries especially for the developement of their native countries.
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    Re: IQ Population Genetics

    I would agree I.Q. tests are problematic.

    What is intriguing, however, is how two different people who share similar I.Q. scores are totally disparate in terms of cultural achievement.
    Now, now. You're a step too far in extreme genetic determinism. Envorinmental factors play their part too. There's nothing problematic with IQ tests. They measure mental capacity.

    Example 1 - Europeans and Asians
    The International Space Station was conceived and built by Europeans, and not the higher avg I.Q. Asians.
    Yet they can maintain such a technology and possibly improve it. So, it's about creativity. The Chinese had a civilization that was in advance of those in Europe, having invented printing, paper, paper money, gunpowder, the magnetic compass, and the construction of canals with locks centuries before the Europeans. So if intelligence solely determined cultural achievements, Europeans would have always been second.

    Example 2 - Europeans and Jews
    Both groups have an avg I.Q. hovering between 95 and 105, and yet if one was to compare the quantity and quality of cultural heritage, their is no such similarity.
    What do you mean by this? Perhaps that there are more Jews working in the field of science than Gentiles, in proportion to population? The Jews have acquired genes for higher intelligence from Europeans and one has to say cultivated them better than the indigenous population. Jews in Israel, with more oriental racial component, have lower IQs.

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    Re: IQ Population Genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by SubGnostic View Post
    There's nothing problematic with IQ tests. They measure mental capacity.
    How do they measure mental capacity?

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