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    Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    It's not that it doesn't have some truth in it, that peoples can look differently and thus be grouped, or that our own people could be subjectively worth more or superior to other peoples. The problem with racial classification is that it doesnt take into account the inner, spiritual characteristics of peoples and subraces. Racial classification would have us believe that such differences don't exist.

    Others use it to say that only nordics are capable of being great while alpines are all primitive and crude. What's worse, is that most people don't know much about it but want to seem important, so they wildly throw classifications around. Suddenly everything with blond hair is nordic, anyone with a larger nose is dinaric, fat people are all alpines, and dark haired people can never be nordic - contrary to actual racial information sources such as nordish.com or Günther's ''The Racial Elements of European History''.

    Probably the worst aspect of racial classification is that it would separate us from our organic qualities and tear apart our roots. Thus a blond jewish person would be considered equal to a nordo-germanic. Which is clearly not the case. The jews for example, despite all their intrest in religion and esoteric things like the kaballah are such psychically constituted that they will probably never reach the highest peaks of spirituality like the twice-born Aryan can. What we need is an inner spitual organic outlook when it comes to our own peoples and others instead of the materialistic one that racial classification would have us take on.

    With racial classification everyone can be categorized according to their looks which is not the whole truth when it comes to real life. Our race is not all about our looks, our race is characterized by our inner spiritual qualities, our intellect, and lastly our looks. Our appearance may be a marker for these qualities but it isn't a guarantee. While it is important that one looks correctly, they must also feel, act and think accordingly.

    In essence two shiny red apples won't necessarily taste the same, and maybe sometimes a golden apple tastes the best. The key would be to ask, where did the apple come from and which tree has it been growing on? And which influences have been working on the apple to make it become the way it is?

    How convenient it would be if we could be be treated as soulless commodities who can only be defined by appearances. As if there were no inner differences between the various races and no inner differences between european subraces. In the end it's all taking us down the path of materialism and preaching to us a certain equality which doesn't exist.

    Racial classification attempts to distance us from our roots and where we came from - from our people and ancestors - and thats why it can never really be complete.

    We should rather judge people by their deeds, and whether they are one of us. If I meet a person, intuition tells me if they are one of my own. I don't need any psuedo-science to tell me that. People of value and good race will prove themselves by their kindly ways and good deeds, by their ideals and their intelligence.

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    Re: Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    Quote Originally Posted by NordicPower View Post
    We should rather judge people by their deeds, and whether they are one of us. If I meet a person, intuition tells me if they are one of my own. I don't need any psuedo-science to tell me that. People of value and good race will prove themselves by their kindly ways and good deeds, by their ideals and their intelligence.
    I agree. So let's stop making generalizations about the Jews, even if they are a convenient target.
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    AW: Re: Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    Quote Originally Posted by nätdeutsch View Post
    I agree. So let's stop making generalizations about the Jews, even if they are a convenient target.
    Sorry, but what does my post have to do with generalizations about the jews? They don't belong to my people in any way.

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    Re: Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    Nothing against you NordicPower. But seems like you've finally realized that there is no "Nordish Übermensch" and that it's not posible to make Nordids only breed with Nordids. Since you and your husband aren't a nordic couple either.

    Good that you've been finally enlightened in that case.



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    Re: AW: Re: Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    Quote Originally Posted by NordicPower View Post
    Sorry, but what does my post have to do with generalizations about the jews? They don't belong to my people in any way.
    you made a beautiful statement about how you should judge people on an individual basis in your last paragraph, while in previous sentences you lambasted "the Jew" as a collective idea, not taking into account individual persons' characteristics.

    Furthermore, why shouldn't they belong to your people, judging from your last paragraph?

    If your kin are intelligent, charitable, kindly people, then you might indeed have many different friends..
    every year is getting shorter, never seen to find the time,
    plans that either come to nought, or half a page of scribble lines,
    hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way;
    the time has come, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say.

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    Re: Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    Sub-racialism doesn't strike me as particularly important. It may exist, but it isn't as prevalent as some would make it out to be. Still, cultural and spiritual factors heavily outweigh simply sharing a few similiar physical traits - just so long as the person is atleast Europid and localised.
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    AW: Re: AW: Re: Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    Quote Originally Posted by nätdeutsch View Post
    you made a beautiful statement about how you should judge people on an individual basis in your last paragraph, while in previous sentences you lambasted "the Jew" as a collective idea, not taking into account individual persons' characteristics.
    Furthermore, why shouldn't they belong to your people, judging from your last paragraph?
    If your kin are intelligent, charitable, kindly people, then you might indeed have many different friends..
    I believe you have misunderstood my post. I'm not in any way disregarding races and ethnic origins. What I am saying here is that a person might be from my own people but not worth much in terms of things, therefore that makes them worse than a good person from another background. People from other races might be good fine people, and thus allies but they will still never be one of my own people, and the two should NOT mix. A people is defined by it's shared culture, background, history and ethnic racial origins.

    What I am not saying is that a person's character shall be the only determination of race, but rather that we should include both, because one or the other will never be complete.

    Since the jews hail from the middle east and have different genes and a different racial soul, they don't belong to any european people. Them living in Europe for a few hundred years hasn't changed that fact, nor will a hundred thousand more years here.

    My problem with the jews, is that they are all- and yes every one I have met- at the forefront of the degeneration, leading the procession of the kali yuga or the wolf age. Maybe there is one somewhere in the wide world that isn't, who knows? I suppose anything is possible...

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    Re: Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    Doesn't Guenther go into detail about the psychological qualities of the European sub-races? Maybe "detail" is the wrong word since all members of a particular sub-race cannot be characterized as the same but he did talk about qualities as perhaps tendencies in racial behavior.

    I think this is unscientific but probably has some truth to it.

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    Re: Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    Doesn't Guenther go into detail about the psychological qualities of the European sub-races?
    He wasn't the only one. A couple of authors and scientists undertook theories and attempts on race psychology, some more ambitious, some less. Von Eickstedt for instance wrote a book "Grundlagen der Rassenpsychologie" (I posted a chapter from that work here), rather a discussion of the methods and possibilities of a racial psychology than an attempt in pictures of the psyches of the different races themselves. He repeated a statement on race psychology within a broader frame in his "Ursprung und Entfaltung der Seele" from 1963.

    Maybe "detail" is the wrong word since all members of a particular sub-race cannot be characterized as the same but he did talk about qualities as perhaps tendencies in racial behavior.
    I think this is unscientific but probably has some truth to it.
    I wouldn't call that unscientific. At least as less as psychology as such is or as behaviour-research, finally also with respect to different species, is. The human races are as geographical differentiation within man natural products of long-time breeding, of selection and adaption, to different living spaces. That that had a forming not only with respect to physical but also to mental-psychical qualities is plausible and evident with a look at the nature and achievements of the races of this world. Such a holistic grasp of race is not un-biological--rather the opposite.

    The race-psychological pictures Günther draws now surely are generalising" and his method "intuitive" based on culture-historical overview. Apart from that one may doubt details within what he I find that he doesn't make a clear enough difference between "characteristics" and basic mental dispositions (Clauß is more careful here while some basic things about his "method" are much more criticable), and that he maybe doesn't point out decidedly enough that the the psychical "characteristics" were such which all individuals would show on a broad level similarly and to the same degree but that, first, one must anyway rather speak of averages (with the possibility if individual oscillating away from that average) and that, second, what he gives, the "full-scale" racial soul, is so-to-say the extracted and concentrated "ideal type" of a certain racial population.
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    Re: Why Racial Classification Is Incomplete

    Mental make-up. Psyche. That is caste/varna. That is what hindus try to save and enhance by arranged marriages. And I suppose, to some extent it works. We were looking for a brahmin bride for our nephew in case we did not find one in our particular caste.

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