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    Question Do you Believe in Angels?

    Do you believe in angels? For the purpose of this poll, 'angel' will be rather broadly defined as a paranormal creature acting as a messenger or liason between human beings and God(s).

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    AW: Do you believe in angels?

    No I don't! I believe in "ghosts", but not in angels, god, the devil, etc...


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    Re: Do you believe in angels?

    Don't believe in ghosts or Gods.

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    Re: Do you believe in angels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried View Post
    Do you believe in angels? For the purpose of this poll, 'angel' will be rather broadly defined as a paranormal creature acting as a messenger or liason between human beings and God(s).
    Whether angels exist is beyond doubt for me. They do.

    Let me put in a request for clarification — how broadly would you define paranormal? Most religious systems have believed that people who are otherwise perfectly normal occasionally become imbued with divine power in order to act as oracles. Would a person in that situation also be paranormal, and therefore an angel? If so, more people might report believing in angels than otherwise would.

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    Re: Do you believe in angels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leofric View Post
    Whether angels exist is beyond doubt for me. They do.
    Your certainty is interesting. Have you experienced an encounter?

    Let me put in a request for clarification — how broadly would you define paranormal? Most religious systems have believed that people who are otherwise perfectly normal occasionally become imbued with divine power in order to act as oracles. Would a person in that situation also be paranormal, and therefore an angel? If so, more people might report believing in angels than otherwise would.
    Good point. I was trying to keep the definition of "angel" a bit wide, but didn't intend it to include oracles. I'll give the issue some more thought. What's your opinion on the oracle phenomenon?

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    Re: Do you believe in angels?

    Yes, I do. She is also known as my girlfriend. =) <3





    Edit: Seriously though, no.

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    Re: Do you believe in angels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried View Post
    What's your opinion on the oracle phenomenon?
    I believe in oracles in addition to more traditional angels, and I believe that they're really quite common (far more common than angels). I think Red Skull, for example, is probably entirely accurate (if perhaps unwittingly) in the oracular sense when he calls his girlfriend an angel. She, like most people, almost certainly says things from time to time that come from God more than from herself and that serve to make Red Skull ultimately happier (and not just in the sense of immediate pleasure, but real, longterm, lasting happiness).

    You know those moments when you say something that just seems to click for you and for others on a level that seems beyond your own ability of communication and insight? And what you say makes life easier and happier for anyone who listens and acts on what was said? Sometimes it almost feels magical. We all have moments like that if we care to be honest about it. I believe those moments are oracular moments for us — times when God is trying to express something to us and those around us through us. This sort of oracular experience is pretty common.

    I also believe that there are and have been people who have practiced their oracular ability to the point that they can serve as oracles on a more or less continuous basis, just as their are people who have practiced their military ability enough to serve as full-time soldiers, people who have practiced their economic ability enough to serve as full-time businessmen, and people who have practiced their persuasive ability enough to serve as full-time lawyers or politicians. I believe that practicing oracular ability is far more valuable that practicing any of these other abilities, in the long run, and is something that anyone can choose to do. Those that do practice it are a great benefit to those around them who do not.

    I also believe that, as with any skill, there are people who imitate it rather than actually developing it. There are more oracular imitators in this world than real oracles. They seek usually seek money, power, or fame rather than the benefit of all men, and that's usually what they end up bringing about.

    The real bad thing about what these imitators do is they make most of think that oracles are all hoaxes (since most people who proclaim to be oracles are), when in fact, real oracular ability is probably about as easy and commonplace as culinary ability. There's nothing difficult about cooking up a stew or baking a loaf of bread — people do it all the time. And there's nothing extraordinary about receiving a message from God — it happens all the time. But because these imitators make it seem so miraculous (in order to increase their power by making the good they offer seem so scarce), and because they're so obviously lying, it becomes easy for the rest of us to forget that what they offer can actually be obtained, for real, with incredible ease, by any of us at any time.

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    Re: Do you believe in angels?

    Oracle: We have a saying in Sanskrit "Kings whims, misers money, woman's character, and man's fate; even Gods do not know it, what to talk of men".

    I do not remember the full verse, the last line is, 'Striya Charitram, Pushasya Bhāgyam, Devo Na Jānāti, Kuto Manushyāh'. Chanakya's Niti Shastra (Manuel of Policy).

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    Yes, I believe in angels! There are many scriptural references that affirm the existence of protecting angels, and various Fathers of the Church, such as St. Jerome, St. Augustine and St. Bernard, support the same teaching. Catholics believe that everyone has a guardian angel who assists, guides, warns and protects them throughout life. According to St. Clement and St. Gregory the Great, each country, city and town has a special guardian angel. St. Augustine even believed that there are angels who watch over animals and the physical world. Last of all, St. Thomas Aquinas was of the opinion that even the Antichrist (!) will have a guardian angel, who will restrain him from some of the evil which he will otherwise do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice View Post
    Yes, I believe in angels! There are many scriptural references that affirm the existence of protecting angels, and various Fathers of the Church, such as St. Jerome, St. Augustine and St. Bernard, support the same teaching. Catholics believe that everyone has a guardian angel who assists, guides, warns and protects them throughout life. According to St. Clement and St. Gregory the Great, each country, city and town has a special guardian angel. St. Augustine even believed that there are angels who watch over animals and the physical world.
    The question is, why in the NT do they stress that they are fellow workers/servants and not beings who are to be worshiped? It follows that angels also develop in assisting us. To say otherwise is to imply that they are perfect/flawless. I'm of the belief that they used to be human before making the transition to a higher stage of development.

    There are no "fallen" angels and the notion that angels came down to mate with human women is a fantast's tale. In the OT, all angels served god, even those with an apparently negative disposition. The angels in Judaism were undoubtedly modeled off of the Persian/Babylonian/Roman genii. In the Orient, these were called Devas. The angels spoken of in Peter's epistles are obviously modeled after the Greek titans.

    Matthew 18:10 is crystal clear about angels representing their wards to the Father of all. The fact that god finds it necessary to rely on their service suggests that he's very busy. It's likely all of our prayers only reach the pertaining angel, insofar as the request isn't selfish or petty.

    When Jesus went up the mountains to pray alone, he was likely aware of their preferred abode.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alice View Post
    Last of all, St. Thomas Aquinas was of the opinion that even the Antichrist (!) will have a guardian angel, who will restrain him from some of the evil which he will otherwise do.
    Otherwise Mr. "Antichrist" would no longer be able to incarnate into this world. He won't necessarily be pure evil.

    I must hand it to Aquinas, he puts forth controversial views while remaining within orthodoxy. That's quite impressive.

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