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    Exclamation Company building US border fence snared for hiring illegal immigrants

    Company Building US Border Fence Snared for Hiring Illegal Immigrants

    The Associated Press

    Thursday 14 December 2006


    San Diego - A Southern California fence-building company and two executives pleaded guilty to knowingly hiring illegal immigrants and agreed to pay a combined penalty of $5 million (€3.79 million). The executives could also go to prison.

    The penalty is one of the biggest fines ever imposed in an immigration case, and the case represents a rare instance in which prosecutors brought criminal charges over the hiring of illegal immigrants.

    Golden State Fence Co. will pay $4.7 million (€3.56 million). Mel Kay, 64, the company's founder, chairman and president, will forfeit $200,000, (€151,600) and Michael McLaughlin, 42, a manager in the company's Oceanside, California, office, will pay $100,000 (€75,800).

    The two men admitted hiring at least 10 illegal immigrants.

    Among the company's projects was also the construction of part of a 14-mile (22.5-kilometer) border fence in San Diego in the late 1990s.

    "People slip through the cracks and that's what happens. Mistakes were made," Richard Hirsch, an attorney for Golden State and Kay, said Thursday.
    Prosecutors allege the company hired more than 100 illegal immigrants from 1999 to 2005, and continued to employ dozens of undocumented workers even after two government audits.

    Hirsch said prosecutors plan to ask for six months behind bars for the two men at sentencing March 28. The maximum sentence is five years. Prison time is unusual in such cases.

    The company said in a statement that it pleaded guilty "to bring this matter to a conclusion and restore normalcy to the business."

    The government has stepped up efforts to combat the hiring of illegal immigrants as the issue has grown in importance around the U.S. The plea bargain comes just days after federal authorities raided meat processing plants in six states as part of an investigation into the stealing and selling of identity documents so illegal immigrants could get jobs.

    Last year, in one of the biggest cases of its kind, Wal-Mart agreed to pay $11 million (€8.34 million) to end a federal investigation into the use of illegal immigrants at stores in 21 states.

    Companies, however, are rarely hit with criminal charges for hiring illegal immigrants.

    Government agents raided Golden State Fence's Riverside office last year and found that 110 were unauthorized to work - including three the company had been ordered not to employ after a 1999 audit by the government.

    Golden State, which has 750 employees, saw sales soar from $60 million in 1998 to $150 million in 2004, according to a biography of Kay provided by the company.

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    AW: Company building US border fence snared for hiring illegal immigrants

    I think this comment of mine being more or less related to the topic:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php...81&postcount=2

    and this quotation comes to mind again:
    "Those who remain silent about Capitalism should not complain about immigration." - Alain de Benoist
    Magna Europa est patria nostra
    STOP GATS! STOP LIBERALISM!

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    Re: AW: Company building US border fence snared for hiring illegal immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    and this quotation comes to mind again:
    "Those who remain silent about Capitalism should not complain about immigration." - Alain de Benoist
    Again I re-state that Europe has massive trade with Japan and a total lack of Japanese migrants, really with the exception of temporary language students.

    Europe has comparatively little trade with Africa and an ever-growing mass of African migrants and their descendants.

    Trade & immigration do not necessarily go hand-in-hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneFrenchSaxon View Post
    Again I re-state that Europe has massive trade with Japan and a total lack of Japanese migrants, really with the exception of temporary language students.
    Europe has comparatively little trade with Africa and an ever-growing mass of African migrants and their descendants.
    Trade & immigration do not necessarily go hand-in-hand.
    You missed the point - intentionally? Capitalism without limits and moral influences the socio-economic system as such and thats not just a question of trade, neither is trade a question of "pure Capitalism" alone, because other economic systems can trade too. And immigrants have less to do with trade between specific national economies, but the inner moral and economic pressures in a Capitalist society. If you sell goods cheaper to your own people as well as Japan by using Mexican illegal workers which you dont give rights, social security and minimum wages before using indigenous workers and giving them a just deal, this is the result of a Capitalist beast without control and moral. In the end the whole factories will disappear and go as a whole abroad for the same reasons as come foreigners in the economic centres with a Liberal law, economy and moral.
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    Re: Company building US border fence snared for hiring illegal immigrants

    If Mexicans are content to take jobs in Western factories then good for them, if Mexicans prefer to work outside in the elements then that's fine also.

    My opinion; Japan is something of a Grade A example. Europe has a great relationship with Japan. Europeans spend money with the Japanese and vice versa. Honda employ European workers. There are not European ghettos in Tokyo or Japanese youths running rampant through Stockholm or Paris. Two foreign peoples who keep each other at arms length, save for tourism, but benefit through sharing knowledge and technology.

    It's very easy to criticise capitalism, but once the barriers are thrown up, Joe Public will soon start complaining about sky high prices and stifled progress. It is really inadequate border controls, political inaction and welfarism which brings the Third World to Europe, not the businessman.

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    The Liberalcapitalist socio-economic structures are not sustainable on the long run, thats a very basic problem of this system, whether one complains about exploitation and social injustice or not. I might add that its not necessary to think of a total break down of a Capitalist world economy, its about meaningful rules both inside of and between states and nations. A lack of this might still produce an environment being good for business this or that way, but not for the people to live in and a population, culture and nation to flourish, immigration is just one of the more serious symptomes of the degeneration and downgrading, finally deconstruction or even destruction of Europe.
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    Re: Company building US border fence snared for hiring illegal immigrants

    Its not fair to compare poor south americans with japanese . The Japs are wealthy anyway - why work here if they don't have too? But poor south americans flood north to get any job thats going. Its much the same with poor africans and europe. I dont think it should be permitted - but Agrippa is right ( I do remember your reply on the original thread!! ) -- the capital market system will expoit anyone if it can make a profit out of them. They even export our own jobs to where its cheaper - because they really dont care!! only for their profits.

    We need to manage the flow of illegal immigrations - its simply a control matter. Capitalists should be punished too if they break the rules on immigrants. Hence THIS thread.

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    Re: Company building US border fence snared for hiring illegal immigrants

    It is no accident that the Japanese are very wealthy with low crime, and that the Chinese will attain the same level. They are biologically different to American Indians and Africans. Culture is from race.

    How many decades has it taken for the US authorities finally to be pro-active against Mexican migration routes? That is a political failure.

    Businesses will employ who is at hand. I hear all the time that Poles are better workers than the British. This is the fresh cream of trained qualified Poles vs tired, long term unemployed, unmotivated British. If you don't want Poles/foreigners in Britain, that's a matter for politicians and border control and policing. It is not some vague notion of a system or a market, it is a solitary construction manager sat a desk, calmly considering who is best for his business, and often employing someone foreign.

    McDonalds and Microsoft do not patrol the English Channel or the US-Mexico border, they do not give welfare to migrants, they are not responsible for expelling migrants. These are political matters.

    The reality of race and culture means that Europeans and East-Asians will pay to import some items from Africa, SE Asia, South America, etc. It is a better use of a African's time to be picking fruit or sewing children's clothing than for a European, who is capable of more. In the same way that Bill Gates does not build his own car, he pays someone else to do it, because he has higher value tasks to complete.


    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Its not fair to compare poor south americans with japanese . The Japs are wealthy anyway - why work here if they don't have too? But poor south americans flood north to get any job thats going. Its much the same with poor africans and europe. I dont think it should be permitted - but Agrippa is right ( I do remember your reply on the original thread!! ) -- the capital market system will expoit anyone if it can make a profit out of them. They even export our own jobs to where its cheaper - because they really dont care!! only for their profits.

    We need to manage the flow of illegal immigrations - its simply a control matter. Capitalists should be punished too if they break the rules on immigrants. Hence THIS thread.

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    McDonalds and Microsoft do not patrol the English Channel or the US-Mexico border, they do not give welfare to migrants, they are not responsible for expelling migrants. These are political matters.
    Thats correct and the core of the problem, because policy should be made by and for the people, not a particular group which dominates the economy. Good business people should just try to make their profits and to profit the group following the rules and most basic moral codes of the group they are living in, for which they exist and work finally and on the long run.
    Its not up to the business man to determine the immigration policy, social policy or any other political agenda for that matter other than as a common member of the group as anybody else. Sure a rich man will always have more influence one way or another than a poor, but finally he should have the same obligations and follow the same rules which are not to question no matter how wealthy he is.
    Corporations and business men, even less so bankers and speculants, should never determine primarily the path of a nation or this nation will be ruined on the long run, losing its soul and spirit, its energy and life, being corrupted to the bones.

    What you said is exactly the problem, rules should be made for the group and people, business is just a tool, never let a tool control yourself and making decisions for you!
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    Re: Company building US border fence snared for hiring illegal immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Blood_Axis View Post
    Company Building US Border Fence Snared for Hiring Illegal Immigrants
    The Associated Press
    Thursday 14 December 2006

    San Diego - A Southern California fence-building company and two executives pleaded guilty to knowingly hiring illegal immigrants and agreed to pay a combined penalty of $5 million (€3.79 million). The executives could also go to prison.

    One thought on the immigration 'problem' in America, is that they are importing a future army to fight PNAC's planned wars.

    PNAC: http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html

    It's possible that 'illegals' are being told to enter the US, so that at some future point they will have to fight for the North American Union.

    Capitalism is the means (not the end) of bringing about global hegemony, and America has sadly been turned into the worlds capitalistic bully.

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