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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blood_Axis View Post
    Yes, indeed.

    A very interesting face. She looks fully europid in some pics, but lest we forget that she is not...
    In the field of anthropology, northern India is considered Caucasoid territory. Which basically has the same meaning as Europid.

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    This prognosis is in the event of the status quo remaining in place. So much can and will happen in the coming years and decades that such a study is meaningless.
    Nuclear proliferation, socio-geographic upheavals and economic collapses add a variable too far to this equation.

    I read an interesting short 'science fiction' thesis years ago. In it it was claimed that by the year 3000 everybody in every country would have Chang as their surname.
    It was a reasoned, rational argument, again, based on the staus quo.

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    AW: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Once I watched an article in a german scientific magazin.
    They predicted that men , if the mankind survives until then , will be tall , very thin, hairless and white within a couple of million years.

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    Actually, had the British not divided British India into Pakistan (from which later Bangladesh splitted off), "India" proper, and Ceylon, the Indians would already now be more than the Chinese. Most Chinese are not aware of that. They always boast childishly their 1.3 billion blabla.
    The combined population of India, Pakistan & Bangladesh is approximately 1.4 billion. Sri Lanka was never administratively part of British India but Burma (Myanmar) was. The total population of the countries that made up the British Raj is 1.465 billion versus 1.3 billion for the Peoples Republic of China & another 20 million for Taiwan.

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blood_Axis View Post
    Curry said on Tuesday that he felt reasonably sure human evolution would result in humanity splitting into two sub-species in 100,000 years. These would include a genetic upper class, tall, slim and quick-witted humans, he said. The other would be a squat, dim-witted underclass. The two classes would be distinct by their physical attributes with the 'gracile' humans characteristically tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative. They would be a far cry from the "underclass" , who would be dim-witted and goblin-like.
    LOL This sounds just like Brave New World, with the Alpha Double Plus ruling elite, and the Epsilon Minus Semi-morons.

    But Curry's most interesting projection, which may interest the darker-skinned swathes of the world's population, is that the human race will evolve away from racial difference. Everyone, will be coffee-coloured and the potential brown master race will be akin to Saira Mohan, observers told TOI.
    Too bad her skin isn't coffee coloured - it's white. I doubt she'd be as pretty if it were darker...

    Mohan, the 28-year-old luminous beauty who is of Indian, Canadian, French and Irish descent, appeared on the cover of Newsweek magazine almost exactly three years ago, with the lead headline "The Perfect Face."
    This is another problem - her genetic make up is at least half Europid. If these genes were to be watered down by the considerably less attractive genes of most other races, then how would such beauty become possible?

    Curry predictions include the view that humans will evolve in 1,000 years into
    giants between 6ft and 7ft tall. Tomorrow's men, he predicted, will have
    symmetrical facial features, look athletic, and have squarer jaws, deeper voices and bigger male organs. The women will have lighter, smooth, hairless skin, large clear eyes, pert breasts, glossy hair, and even features. The uniform coffee-coloured race will inter-breed, he said, to the point when sexual selection causes humanity to divide into sub-species.
    I also doubt this - Asians are considerably shorter, and are a majority in the world - only whites and some blacks are quite tall. If all races were to mix, the average should be shorter, not taller. Personally, I think the white race will remain the upper class, the race which all strive to become, and the others will be the underclass (excepting perhaps the East Asians).

    Also, for those who intend on buying BBC Focus this month, there is a good article in it on evolution and genetic manipulation:

    HUMAN 2.0
    Our technological advancements are usurping our natural evolution. So where will humanity be in the future?

    One million years from now, descendants of humankind are scattered across the far reaches of space. Isolated in environments very different to those on Earth, populations have adapted to the point of speciation, and look very different to the humans of today. On one colonised planet, swollen-headed beings coated in fur struggle in the cold.

    On another, humans have developed photosynthetic abilities to make up for unsustainable levels of oxygen. Meanwhile, back on Earth, humanity in its physical form comprises little more than sedentary blobs of flesh plugged into a virtual reality...

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    AW: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    The title of the thread reminds me on this:
    The Pan-Europeanism of Coudenhove-Kalergi

    Now, Curry appears to suggest that the Mohan model may actually be the prototype for the masterclass within our genetic descendants.
    Going by generalised racial standards he is right on that. She is very progressive and combined mature-progressive with Neotenic-cute traits, an important combination especially for woman. Thats no big surprise if considering that both parents might have been of progressive types too (Atlantid and Nordindid respectively?). Thats subracial mixture of Europid (European Europid with Central-South Asian Europid) or at least Europoid (if having Weddoid ancestry too which is not visible) types.

    I just wonder about some things: First this generalised progressive standard is a reality and important, but it didnt happened by chance that regional specialisations took place even within this peak type variation of mankind, since there are regional advantages and disadvantages which are not generally better or worse for the human potential and development like skin color: A lighter skin is just more advantageous for Northern Europe and a darker one for the tropics to give an example. Even today the two variants suffer from disadvantages if living "in the wrong environment" to a certain degree (cancer and vitamin deficits f.e.) and this must be balanced out with very modern techniques. Questions come up why this is necessary if there is already a natural adaptation and variation which fits into the respective environment better or worse.

    There will be no homogeneous block of a mixed race without consequent breeding and manipulating anyway, because of genetic rules and the fact we are dealing with so many traits of so many racial, population and individual variants living in so many areas between which are still enormous distances. Still most people marry individuals from their neighborhood (in the wider sense today though) and not from the other end of the world - with the exception of immigrants coming to Europe of course...but thats rather a problem of the European people than the "human race" or better human species.

    The fallacy of this article is to suggest that the result of the mixture will "just be fine" or even better, not even considering the many variants being involved and the fact that some are already closer to the general standard of progressive development even without mixing with the rest of the world whereas others aren't! And that this general standards have close to nothing to do with skin color primarily nor being enhanced by mixture as such on the long run if the parental races dont have progressive traits already - only lucky combinations by chance could come up that way, but since there is no selection like in the Ice Age or Neolithicum, both "the unlucky and lucky" recombinations would be spread, considering the dysgenic trends of today the negative ones almost alone. In fact what was achieved in the past thousands of years of human evolution in some regions and types will be destroyed or at least downgraded by mixture and some peak types will be pushed back or even substituted by lower standard variants in the process of miscegenation, mass immigration into European lands. We should not forget, its the European man who will disappear, whereas the colored will still have their home lands being largely free of foreign racial elements!

    There will be no sort of positive selection being involved in this process in a Liberalcapitalistic society neither, it will be a drastic downbreeding of the masses and mankind in general for at least a long time. Which would result in this:
    Curry said on Tuesday that he felt reasonably sure human evolution would result in humanity splitting into two sub-species in 100,000 years. These would include a genetic upper class, tall, slim and quick-witted humans, he said. The other would be a squat, dim-witted underclass. The two classes would be distinct by their physical attributes with the 'gracile' humans characteristically tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative. They would be a far cry from the "underclass" , who would be dim-witted and goblin-like.
    But this would only happen if there would be a society breeding progressive, dominant and versatile peak types for the leading elements and low level working slaves on the other. In the future this sort of thinking like in "Brave New World" will probably being not necessary even for a very egoistic upper class since most low level jobs will be done by machines rather than humans then - and if they could consequently breed themselves up and the rest down - or into the direction of overspecialisation, they would be able to reduce the numbers of people being not needed in the future as well and that would be more rational and human too.

    Its funny how certain ideas repeat itself. What this author did was to mix to concepts: What elite and lowest level or even degneration means for general human standards - thats where he was right, things being quite obvious already, and what evolution will bring to us - we dont know if not planning it ourselves, the most likely outcome in a hedomatic society without corrective measures and leadership would be something like this:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=65938

    Next point being mixing such ideas and predictions up with the multicultural, multiracial and (pseudo-) pluralistic "ideals" of the Liberalcapitalistic society of today. But still calming down with "the standard will be even higher". It won't, compare with this:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=38066

    If mixing two progressive types the result will be on average progressive too, thats clear, but the standard of the immigrants is in general lower than that of Europeans nor have they anything to give which Europeans need and dont have already. And if there would be small details which should be spread in a selective sweep - it won't happen without Eugenics and manipulation in a modern day society. F.e. if a Negrid would have one advantageous trait for Europeans in Europe, but the other 90 ones being disadvantageous for the European blood line or already present in it if being advantageous, chances are much higher for another bloodline being polluted with the negative traits than the single positive one being spread alone in the genpool - which would be the only win situation for Europeans.

    Again, this can be achieved by Eugenics and manipulation alone if being wanted, mixture won't enhance Europeans nor spreading any really important trait in time, but just push away European bloodlines and downgrade others, destroying homogenity with all its consequences and adding nothing for human progress in general, just making Liberalcapitalism and the rule of the plutocratic Oligarchy easier and the degeneration of mankind faster and more drastic.
    Mixture as such is not positive nor negative, it depends on the context, but inside of Europe there is not much to gain and a lot to lose for us Europeans and mankind. Even if I would say thats not true for every single and individual case, again, the positive effect can be only minimal, the negative is obvious and there is no biological-racial selection of immigrants anyway - if, there is only a negative one it seems if looking at the majority of individuals coming with mass immigration into our homelands. Mass immigration is no solution for anything and just a cause for even more problems for our already weakened and sick European culture and people. We must cure ourselves both from biological, social as well as cultural pathologies and look more consequent and optimistic in a brighter future again. This can happen only from the inside.

    Some comments if dealing with Eugenic ideas:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=53645
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=40375
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=60647
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=34768

    "Genetic Engineering and Cloning":
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=30411

    "Is intermixture inevitable"-Thread:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=53792

    Interracial relationships:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=56932

    My stance on Liberalism and Individualism:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=76327

    Jews and their influence on psychology in the USA, interesting if comparing some results of "modern science" with ideological and political demands of very specific "pressure groups and circles" of the past:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=39210

    Multiculturalism in the USA:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=13444
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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Madoc View Post
    The combined population of India, Pakistan & Bangladesh is approximately 1.4 billion. Sri Lanka was never administratively part of British India but Burma (Myanmar) was. The total population of the countries that made up the British Raj is 1.465 billion versus 1.3 billion for the Peoples Republic of China & another 20 million for Taiwan.
    Actually most Chinese are not proud of the fact that China is the most populous nation on Earth. Chinese perhaps realizes (perhaps much more so than other people) of the dangers of overpopulation. That is why primary emphasis is always on population control, no matter the cost (ie. producing a very skewed demographic ration of the elderly to young, etc).


    And about the thread, even if every ethnicity in the world eventually mixed with one another, it is still impossible to create a uniform "coffee-coloured" race. Genetics doesn't work like that, sorry. I don't want to bog people down with the details, so i'll just put is simply, genes are highly unpredictable. Which genes you receive from your mother, and father is a randomn event and genes are then expressed in you is another separate randomn event. For example there is a good likelihood that you can have traits more in common with your grand parents or grandparents than you do with your parents or siblings (because those genes were unexpressed in those individuals).

    So suppose if two people, who had the genome of all the human races in their DNA, were to mate with eachother, there is a high likelihood that the child may just end up looking like just one of the races (east asian, black, white, etc).

    This is why it is possible for black parents (with some european admixture) to produce "blonde, blue eyed" babies. The genes that produce these traits will never actually die out, (unless it was purposely selected against, by a a eugenics program.) On the other hand, it would also not be difficult to "re-create" the races from a totally mixed population. Just select for certain individuals with certain traits and have them only mate amongst themselves, then select for the offspring, and after a few generations, you would have seperate races.

    Of course that doesn't mean I support large scale miscegenation. It is better to have one ancestral land that you can relate to, I think. Not to mention all the different cultures that would be obliterated....

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnooc View Post
    This is why it is possible for black parents (with some european admixture) to produce "blonde, blue eyed" babies. The genes that produce these traits will never actually die out, (unless it was purposely selected against, by a a eugenics program.)
    Yep, that's why I think all this "melting" of the races is wishful thinking on part of some idiots. It will never happen. Instead, we'll have children who look very little like their parents occuring quite often... Short of some contrived scheme via the adoption of (for lack of a better word) dysgenics, it would be impossible to destroy the races. The only other way to destroy a race would be to encourage it not to proliferate...

    Of course that doesn't mean I support large scale miscegenation. It is better to have one ancestral land that you can relate to, I think. Not to mention all the different cultures that would be obliterated....
    Agreed.

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Coffee-coloured race to take over planet

    That just sounds like another way the Marxists can imply it's an interminable truth. That It's an inevitability, when really what it is, is their wishful-thinking. The Marxists would love nothing more than a Coffee Coloured people to roam the Earth unchallenged. What they don't recognise is, History goes round in cycles, and there is nothing to suggest that what we're enduring now, Multiculturalism, will continue into the future, in 30-50 or a 100 years time.
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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    as for the gracile and robust, progressive and primitive, creative and dim witted aspect of this report, I believe this is an already present condition, Regardless of race to race analysis, if looking within a race, countless generations and certain groups advantages or disadvantages have already split society accordingly, the aesthetic reality of longer headed abstract humans, with symmetrical faces, and long slender limbs, and non exessive amounts of body hair is already present in most societies. The best fed grew taller, the strongest were able to ensure a better education for thier kin, and the stronger, more educated people would continue to abstract and grow more intelligent and "high bred', until a rival group userped or interbred for the dominant position, but then continued the same process, best fed, best educated, endowing thier children with more capacity to gain more capacities.

    If anything these gracile elites will be indoors more often than outdoors, and if outdoors, protected from harmfull rays by some technological benfit "sun tan lotion for starters" Even in asia, the mid east and india, the peoples who have been in the dominant positions in society longest often have lighter skin compared to lower elements in society, not because white makes the person greater than a darker person, but because that skin tone might show how long this persons blood line has not been at the mercy of a beating sun, 500 years spent tending to the farm would not let a person be as pale skinned as say someone whos ancestors spent a good deal of time in a court or indoors as a shop owner, artisan, or nobility, going outdoors for liesure more than livelyhood. This report brings nothing new but a reminder of that coffee colored mud dream with all the nations holding hands under some american flag of equality "except for the dim witted trolls living underground making our utopia with thier hard labor ". I believe over millenia an elite class in society would move towards a lighter skin tone, moving towards a non enviromentally challenging skin tone, similar to peoples who developed in moderate climates, aka white. No need for pigmentation for excessive cold or heat, while the have nots in this report will certainly retain or obtain darker pigment and overspecialize to survive in thier physically demanding lives, just like lower castes of people have done and do so embody today.

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