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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

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    Re: Sv: Re: AW: Re: AW: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Patriotpatrik View Post
    And you say this hatred lives on in the new generations as well? They simply can't stand germans, they wont speak to them, they wont travel to germany and all choose to settle as far away from Germany as possible within their country's limits?
    One of my professors told me, he had been to Holland with his son. At an ice-cream booth the vendor noticed his boy was German, so he gave him a smaller ice-cream portion.
    The key word here is exaggeration. The question was potential foreign immigrants and their impact on Germany. Quite obviously, a Dutch person who do immigrates to Germany, gets a spouse there and chooses to settle down there doesn't hate Germany to the point that assimilation is made impossible. And their eventual future off spring will without a doubt adapt just fine to a life in Germany if their parents do a decent job.
    Agrippa says: we will evaluate them, so they don't have to tell us anything. When they come here.

    The point is: those "valuable" types, which would do "no harm" to our populations will not come here.

    If there is immigration, it always comes from disfavourable places, and is caused by disfavourable causes.

    We talk about India. Well, those 5% white, "europ-o-id" Indians certainly will not come here and settle down in Europe. Why should they? As long as they exist they hold privileged positions in India which they would lose for ever if they left. Other, less fortunate Indians will come and already do come here. THAT IS THE POINT.

    Some time ago, we had a dispute about the Poles, whether they are racially OK or not. Agrippa strongly advocated - for race-theoretical reasons - that they are. Well this may be so and I give him that but it is of no practical use "classifying" them.

    If we now evaluate Indians here as for their possible racial "level", they only can perceive that as nothing other than a serious offence. Because they are healthy - it seems -, growing and full of future expectations, none of which does apply to us.

    And I only hope no Poles read what Agrippa wrote about them.

    They come to Germany with their anti-German indoctrination which goes to the bones, stick together and do not assimilate.

    Assimilation is always an indication of weakness. As long as a race is biologically strong, or as long members of a race are culturally/religiously/economically (self-)confident and (self-)conscious, they will not assimilate. But what makes them all this: strong, confident, audacious etc. is not their race, it is their ethnicity.

    Jakob Grimm never spoke about the "race" the Germanics had, but solely concentrated and focussed on their language. Says he:

    "Ein Volk ist die Summe aller Menschen, die eine Sprache sprechen."
    (A folk is the sum of all men who speak one (and the same) tongue.)

    You are absolutely right that the Germanics should and must stick together now. But this they should have and had to already one hundred years ago. But didn't.

    I am a student of history. History as it was, not as it should have been. There is no racial "relieve" from outside. There is no support. It is stand or fall. We must take good care of ourselves and can not rely on somebody else. Be it our neighbour, be it our "brother". Kain slew Abel.

    Hitler relied on race theories. His thinking was laden with and finally hampered by them. In the most cruel way he was smashed. He was punished for his blind belief in race theory. I just don't want to happen this again to my folk. Clausewitz and Bismarck are better guides than Guenther et al.

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    I think that racialism is positive should be scientific and democratically applied to deal with the problems that we have, but there has to be a value system which it is based upon.

    There is a lot of talk about sub-racial classification on this forum, but surely the most modern line of enquiry would be to look at how those old classifications correspond to the distributions of the haplotypes?

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    Re: Sv: Re: AW: Re: AW: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    One of my professors told me, he had been to Holland with his son. At an ice-cream booth the vendor noticed his boy was German, so he gave him a smaller ice-cream portion.
    It is often thought that this had to do with the German occupation after the Netherlands were overrun within a few days. A dutchmen told me that this was only the reason being hold up (After the Dutch were done over with lots of sentimentalist, snotty Anne Frank propaganda). The real reason was that Germany recovered from economic problems much earlier then the Netherlands and German tourist with money made Holidays in the Netherlands already in the early 50th. I think he is right since the Netherlands provided more then 50.000 volunteers to the Waffen-SS. And had even a strong NSB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    ...We talk about India. Well, those 5% white, "europ-o-id" Indians certainly will not come here and settle down in Europe. Why should they? As long as they exist they hold privileged positions in India which they would lose for ever if they left. Other, less fortunate Indians will come and already do come here. THAT IS THE POINT.
    Good assement. Just why is this virtually everywhere the case?!
    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    Some time ago, we had a dispute about the Poles, whether they are racially OK or not. Agrippa strongly advocated - for race-theoretical reasons - that they are. Well this may be so and I give him that but it is of no practical use "classifying" them.
    .And I only hope no Poles read what Agrippa wrote about them.
    For most cases I would agree with him, Many Poles in South Africa have strong Nordid features. They are actually racist, anti-Communist and Anti-Jewish as well. I wonder what was Hitlers problem with them . But I see its a bit different in Germany...
    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    They come to Germany with their anti-German indoctrination which goes to the bones, stick together and do not assimilate.
    ...
    ... Which must also be to indoctrination, since they were not that much against assimilation, when they were coming to the Ruhr in earlier times.

    A discussion of hereditary and social factors on the social order can be found here:
    http://forums.skadi.net/local_links....24&linkid=1692
    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Cooley
    ...A complete view of society would also be a complete
    view of all the individuals, and vice versa; there would be no difference between them.
    And just as there is no society or group that is not a collective view of persons, so there is no
    individual who may not be regarded as a particular view of social groups. He has no separate
    existence; through both the hereditary and the social factors in his life a man is bound into the whole of which he is a member, and to consider him apart from it is quite as artificial as to consider society apart from individuals. ....
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_In_Arduis View Post
    There is a lot of talk about sub-racial classification on this forum, but surely the most modern line of enquiry would be to look at how those old classifications correspond to the distributions of the haplotypes?
    There's not a good correlation between haplotypes and sub-types, as both of them are quite mixed in most Europe. Roughly it could be:

    -Sub-type: first, second, ...
    -West(Skando)Nordid: I, R1b, R1a
    -Eastnordid: R1a, N, I
    -Atlantid (including Atlanto-Med and North-Atlantid): pred. R1b
    -Gracile-Mediterranid: R1b, I, E3b, J
    -Pontid: I, R1b, E3b
    -Brünn: pred. R1b
    -Borreby: R1b and I
    -Faelid: R1b, R1a, I
    -Baltid (including West and East): I, N, R1a
    -Alpinid: R1b, R1a, I.
    -Dinarid: I, R1b, R1a.

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Galaico View Post
    There's not a good correlation between haplotypes and sub-types, as both of them are quite mixed in most Europe.
    Why do they not correlate? This puzzles me.

    Hypothetical situation:

    If we were to take a European population which has a certain mix of ethnicity, say in the case of Britain, how would we separate them out so as to preserve genetic distinctiveness?

    You have control over social housing stock (the projects) in an area which is a pocket of difference in the UK. There is a higher proportion of Anglo-Saxons in this area than in any other area of the UK.

    There is also a large number of Keltic-Nordic and Altantids, but this is really the only area in the UK where Anglo-Saxons exist in any appreciable concentration.

    Your aim is to give priority social housing to what remains of the Anglo-Saxon population.

    Surely it would be easiest to find out which haplotypes you are looking for and categorise people according to how closely they fit the profile?

    Would that be possible?

    I think that this idea would be a good one, if voluntarily implemented, since it would be the absolute opposite of multi-racialism and the social policies which have been used to back it up. (Often through social housing!)

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    Sv: Re: Sv: Re: AW: Re: AW: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    Agrippa says: we will evaluate them, so they don't have to tell us anything. When they come here.

    The point is: those "valuable" types, which would do "no harm" to our populations will not come here.

    If there is immigration, it always comes from disfavourable places, and is caused by disfavourable causes.

    We talk about India. Well, those 5% white, "europ-o-id" Indians certainly will not come here and settle down in Europe. Why should they? As long as they exist they hold privileged positions in India which they would lose for ever if they left. Other, less fortunate Indians will come and already do come here. THAT IS THE POINT.

    Some time ago, we had a dispute about the Poles, whether they are racially OK or not. Agrippa strongly advocated - for race-theoretical reasons - that they are. Well this may be so and I give him that but it is of no practical use "classifying" them.

    If we now evaluate Indians here as for their possible racial "level", they only can perceive that as nothing other than a serious offence. Because they are healthy - it seems -, growing and full of future expectations, none of which does apply to us.

    And I only hope no Poles read what Agrippa wrote about them.

    They come to Germany with their anti-German indoctrination which goes to the bones, stick together and do not assimilate.

    Assimilation is always an indication of weakness. As long as a race is biologically strong, or as long members of a race are culturally/religiously/economically (self-)confident and (self-)conscious, they will not assimilate. But what makes them all this: strong, confident, audacious etc. is not their race, it is their ethnicity.
    To make it clear i'm not speaking of the situation today, i'm speaking of a future which we might never even see. It's a hypotethical scenario. I'm not interested in any sort of damage controll where we try to reform the immigration flow, i can't see the point in that (just to make my own opinion clear, not saying you feel this or that way about this).

    I'm not in favor of any immigration. I could possibly accept a small, limited number of racially/culturally and well behaved (no criminal record etc) individuals to immigrate to Sweden if they were needed for some reason. The only time immigration should be allowed should be if there is a need for such, and any eventual immigration must assimilate into the host people (they have to learn the language and basically fit in as much as possible).

    And i'm not in favor of poles immigrating here since i don't think they can be that easily assimilated, both from the Swedes view point as well as the poles themselves.

    My stand point is basically this. If we can't support ourselves in terms of birth rates and have to accept racially foreign immigrants to be able to survive as a nation, i rather see us die out, because it would feel like a desecration of our heritage and ourselves as a people if we tried to live on at any cost (even if that's the aim of all living beings i don't think it's a worthy goal for us Europeans, life is only valuable to a certain point in my opinion). Same thing with my own bloodline, if i don't see a Sweden towards recovery when it's time for me to produce off spring i wont strive to produce any. It would just feel horrible knowing that future descendants will most probably defile their heritage, in that case i would prefer to let my blood line die with me, at least then it vanished when it was at a peak.

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_In_Arduis View Post
    Why do they not correlate? This puzzles me.

    Hypothetical situation:

    If we were to take a European population which has a certain mix of ethnicity, say in the case of Britain, how would we separate them out so as to preserve genetic distinctiveness?

    You have control over social housing stock (the projects) in an area which is a pocket of difference in the UK. There is a higher proportion of Anglo-Saxons in this area than in any other area of the UK.

    There is also a large number of Keltic-Nordic and Altantids, but this is really the only area in the UK where Anglo-Saxons exist in any appreciable concentration.

    Your aim is to give priority social housing to what remains of the Anglo-Saxon population.

    Surely it would be easiest to find out which haplotypes you are looking for and categorise people according to how closely they fit the profile?

    Would that be possible?

    I think that this idea would be a good one, if voluntarily implemented, since it would be the absolute opposite of multi-racialism and the social policies which have been used to back it up. (Often through social housing!)
    That's impossible, you could divide the population according to their haplogroups and subclades, but you must take into account that someone's haplogroup only represents one ancestral line over hundreds or thousands, so it isn't either useful to study the genetic makeup of anyone.

    In fact, some haplogroups brought by the Anglo-Saxons (such as R1b #6) will be closer to the "Celtic" haplogroups (such as R1b3 or AMT), than to other Anglo-Saxons hg (such as I1a).

    Haplogroups are only useful at a collective level, to study the origin of a country, a region, or a county.

    Apart of all that you'll find phenotypical Anglo-Saxons who won't have an Anglo-Saxon haplogroup, and the same for Atlantids and Keltic-Nordids (both of them represent the Celtic population of the Isles).

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    Re: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_In_Arduis View Post
    Why do they not correlate? This puzzles me.
    It's insane!!!
    LOOK - here is a pedigree for a hypothetical person [Vandal, Gepid?] living on the edge of the Roman Empire in the 6th Century. Stick a few dozen more generations in the middle, and it could work for a modern Swede;
    http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/571...tledhapti2.png

    The 'ME' individual is the finest Halstatt Nordid you can imagine, but he has a Y Chromosome M from East Asia, and a mitochondrial haplotype L1 from SubSaharan Africa!
    A little peculiar, but quite possible!

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    AW: Re: Sv: Re: AW: Re: AW: Coffee-coloured race to take over planet (Times of India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    One of my professors told me, he had been to Holland with his son. At an ice-cream booth the vendor noticed his boy was German, so he gave him a smaller ice-cream portion.
    There might be some jerks in the BRD or Austria feeling and acting similar, so what? Still the objective relations are clear and thats what it was about, even Germans of todays BRD once killed themselves in brutal wars and hated each other. Might I remind you on various inner German wars. Thats a question of the political power, order and will, nothing which has too much to do with real ethnocultural and genetic-racial relations.

    Agrippa says: we will evaluate them, so they don't have to tell us anything. When they come here.
    Its our land, we should decide of course.

    The point is: those "valuable" types, which would do "no harm" to our populations will not come here.
    Thats not true. Most immigrants might be lower level even for their homelands, but one can't generalise that in all cases of individual or group's migrations.

    We talk about India. Well, those 5% white, "europ-o-id" Indians certainly will not come here and settle down in Europe.
    India is with 50 percent + Europid minimum. The percentage of variants being very closely related to European variants is lower and one might speak of those 5 percent. "White" is a bad term, if white = Caucasoid, most Indians are predominantely "white"

    Why should they? As long as they exist they hold privileged positions in India which they would lose for ever if they left. Other, less fortunate Indians will come and already do come here. THAT IS THE POINT.
    Well, depends again. F.e. a lot of Sikhs came which are racially, culturally and by all standards above the Indian average. There can be very different reasons for emigration.

    Some time ago, we had a dispute about the Poles, whether they are racially OK or not. Agrippa strongly advocated - for race-theoretical reasons - that they are. Well this may be so and I give him that but it is of no practical use "classifying" them.
    There is use since thats more objective than claiming absurd things if speaking about Poles rather than looking at the facts and real traits.

    If we now evaluate Indians here as for their possible racial "level", they only can perceive that as nothing other than a serious offence. Because they are healthy - it seems -, growing and full of future expectations, none of which does apply to us.
    The have larger numbers, but in fact dealing with similar problems too often, with negative selection and enormous social, cultural, economic and environmental problems. If they "are that healthy" for you, you have to look at very specific characteristics. I think they have bad developments, we too, some we share, others not. In both cases we are far away from an optimum.

    And if talking to Indians they know or at least should know the differences inside of their population and we can analyse them like we want and again our method is more objective if dealing with racial relations than just looking for ethnic or religious peculiarities.

    The racial level can be seen in their own social, ethnic and caste order too though with the more progressive variants dominating prehistoric and historic India.

    And I only hope no Poles read what Agrippa wrote about them.
    Why that? If you refer to the Ruhrgebiet-debate, well, that was a specific issue and you know my position if discussing Poles otherwise.

    They come to Germany with their anti-German indoctrination which goes to the bones, stick together and do not assimilate.
    Well, assimilation is determined by distance too and if there is a certain ethnocultural distance, assimilation can always happen just over generations, thats just natural.

    Assimilation is always an indication of weakness. As long as a race is biologically strong, or as long members of a race are culturally/religiously/economically (self-)confident and (self-)conscious, they will not assimilate. But what makes them all this: strong, confident, audacious etc. is not their race, it is their ethnicity.
    Whats ethnicity? As I said quite often already, culture is a mean, ethnic groups are reproductive communities and strategies for the survival of the own racial-biological base. So the real cause, reason behind ethnicity is finally always the race, the bloodlines. Culture is the crutch and tool for the instinctive insecure human species. Crucial is it has to work for the individuals and group, for the biological base and development. Race goes beyond the simple minded people's comprehension too often, since they being instinctively stamped for the small community. In the distant past they had not to think about race too much at all, since they lived in a kin-groups which were racially very similar most of the time anyway, had limited contacts to foreign racial variants and in the individual and group selection negative mixtures were eliminated. But the larger the social units and groups, the more important it is to have racial consciousness and ideals in the culture of the group to keep its own character and standard - or even elevate the latter.

    Jakob Grimm never spoke about the "race" the Germanics had, but solely concentrated and focussed on their language. Says he:

    "Ein Volk ist die Summe aller Menschen, die eine Sprache sprechen."
    (A folk is the sum of all men who speak one (and the same) tongue.)

    You are absolutely right that the Germanics should and must stick together now. But this they should have and had to already one hundred years ago. But didn't.
    Most people are dumb ignorants. The average even in progressive variants is still to low and our culture degenerated, much better ones didnt existed, today our failures which are different from those of the past have just worse results, cause even greater damage for the group.
    So its about "working on the problem" not accepting it as something which might even be valued by some...

    I am a student of history. History as it was, not as it should have been. There is no racial "relieve" from outside. There is no support. It is stand or fall. We must take good care of ourselves and can not rely on somebody else. Be it our neighbour, be it our "brother". Kain slew Abel.
    Point is: If one can build up a common identity it makes alliances with related people easier. Those who constantly repeat a certain mantra of race being unimportant and we will stay alone are right, because if thinking and acting that way the chances are much higher for such a scenario than if thinking and acting differently. The latter is no guarantee of course and one has to deal with the challenges as they come, but that doesnt mean its not worth to try to improve the situation and going new ways.

    Hitler relied on race theories. His thinking was laden with and finally hampered by them. In the most cruel way he was smashed. He was punished for his blind belief in race theory. I just don't want to happen this again to my folk. Clausewitz and Bismarck are better guides than Guenther et al.
    Well, you can't compare apples with oranges, both are useful for certain aspects, both were wrong on many issues, right in many others. Without the biological knowledge and racial consciousness we are dealing with people still acting more animal like without understanding what its really about. Its about the well being of the majority of individuals and group-collective, all other values or considerations are secondary and if people dont realise some basics, be it in the political-strategical or evolutionary-racial sphere, they will fail this or that way.

    People who thought only in ethnic and state categories might have been very useful, but useful for what? For the people, culture and race. Often even without understanding their role. But much better strategies and understanding of whats important can come up if understanding the big picture. If someone truly believes in "a great victory" because slaughtering thousands of ethnoracially related people he is a moron. If saying he did that because it was absolutely necessary for the group and race, because so a better strategy was secured and otherwise a serious danger would have been a real threat for the people, group and race, well, then its another matter. But if just celebrating the killing of thousands and defeat of "age old enemies" which are finally of the same kind as an end in itself it becomes ridiculous and cruel at the same time. Only if considering a bigger picture and strategic decisions for the further development of the greater whole this can be considered as a "true victory". Eliminating positive variants and potential, especially of related people, is never good and should be always prevented if being possible. Actually war and killings should be prevented anyway, but in such cases even more so...

    Ethnic chauvinism is like an irrational religion only truely valuable if being helpful to preserve or even enhance the individual well-being, social structures, cultural achievements, racial-biological standards and general adaptiveness as well ability for further higher development. Otherwise we are dealing with primitive reactions - those might be helpful for what I said, but they should be no end in itself at this stage of human development and for sure not in the future.
    The German folk has to me a value for mankind and the world - at least if coming back to a healthy form and attitude. Of course preserving "the own" is a value in itself, but if going to far with this, small Germanic warbands would still fight each other while others would slowly conquer their lands - for the racial development that kind of group selection was good, but in a larger and more modern society Eugenic measures are the only way to go.

    Primitive Chauvinism is simply no strategy for the future, rational and higher Idealism is.
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