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Thread: Holding Families Responsible for Shaping Individuals?

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    Yes, communities are responsible for shaping individuals. They give them the education they should receive. But it's beyond their power to control every action of the individual. It's not their fault if the individuals choose to throw away the education they received. If instead of an individual there were a remote-controlled thing, a robot, then yes, communities should be held responsible. Otherwise, no, the individual who commits the crime should pay for it by himself.
    THINK! It's not illegal yet.

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    This is not a matter of yes or no, or black or white since the question is about the broad term of authority. Authority springs out of many entities family and state being two of them.

    Unlike liberals(in the broad, real term, including thus individualists and libertarians), conservatives believe that authority is a natural being, risen from necessity and tradition. Liberals believe that authority is a result of a mutual contract between two or more individuals. For example that children have a contract to later take after their parents in return for their bringing up. That's of course rubbish, since a contract implies free choice and knowledge of the contract. Thus, authority is a natural offspring that rises from the parents simply because the children don't know what's good for them. You can draw this line further to society. Authority for the teacher in the classroom, for the employer in the working room, or the state in society.

    Thus, various entities are responsible for the upbringing and discipline of individuals, and that's just the external factors, you must add the internal, genetic factors to the comparison too, thus only the latter are a pure individual matter.

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    No. Germanic children are free spirits. Boisterousness, violence and manliness should be smiled upon. When Egil Skallgrimson killed another boy as a youth it was frowned upon but it was his inner nature that did it. I tried a similar thing age 10 fracturing a boys skull with a metal bar. ( he recovered and remained my friend. I had no punishment-I knew I had done wrong but I learned to control my temper). Some of us just get a red mist at times. It was my fault. My parents were church goers.
    I cannot speak for different breeds of men, they should be in their own lands and culture.

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    Absolutely not. That would be treating the person who committed the crime like a child. Unless this person is mentally deranged and does not realize right from wrong, in which case they will be judged according to those reasons, they should be held responsible for their actions. Shaping individuals is one thing, it does not mean you control their every action. Anyway, if we were to apply such logic then we would have to hold our governments responsible for not being able to keep tabs on the communities, and so on...

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