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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Or the inevitable "Semitic" debate
    When in doubt, blame Jews for everything. Everything.
    When in lack of a valid argument, create a straw man.

    I got know problems with the term Aryan, be it in racial or linguistic terms. mmmh. or should I rather say philological terms, given that Logos can be quite different from the language.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Also this proto stuff and IndoEuropean thing is just a deviation from the real name


    Aryan were the name of the people going into India or living there for eternity, it was the name they gave themselves. Same is with the people living in what is now Iran (Aryan).

    To claim it was only the name of those people but not the whole group, despite all people which we refer to came from there. After all linguistics show it was a coherent group.

    You can of course use your clinical terms which do not mean anything but I do use the name Aryan as that is the closest we can get how they called themselves.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan#I...pean_languages

    Then, in the 1830s, partly based on the theory (now regarded as erroneous & completely baseless) that words like "Aryan" could also be found in European languages (such as the idea that "Éire" derived from "Aryan"), the term "Aryan" came to be used as the term for the Indo-European language group, and by extension, the original speakers of those languages.

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    There is a whole range of YouTube movies explaining the Aryaness (or causianess or whiteness or IEness and so fort) of a group of Pharaohs, a lot of mummies with red or blond hair, Aryan features and so on.

    Doesn't make sense to claim the opposite anymore.

    Despite the refusal of the Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, to release any DNA results which might indicate the racial ancestry of Pharaoh Tutankhamen, the leaked results reveal that King Tut’s DNA is a 99.6 percent match with Western European Y chromosomes.
    The DNA test results were inadvertently revealed on a Discovery Channel TV documentary filmed with Hawass’s permission — but it seems as if the Egyptian failed to spot the giveaway part of the documentary which revealed the test results.
    Hawass previously announced that he would not release the racial DNA results of Egyptian mummies — obviously because he feared the consequences of such a revelation.
    On the Discovery Channel broadcast, which can be seen on the Discovery Channel website here, or if they pull it, on YouTube here, at approximately 1:53 into the video, the camera pans over a printout of DNA test results from King Tut.
    Firstly, here is a brief explanation of the results visible in the video. It is a list of what is called Short Tandem Repeats (STRs).
    STRs are repeated DNA sequences which are “short repeat units” whose characteristics make them especially suitable for human identification.
    These STR values for 17 markers visible in the video are as follows:
    DYS 19 – 14 (? not clear)
    DYS 385a – 11
    DYS 385b – 14
    DYS 389i – 13
    DYS 389ii – 30
    DYS 390 – 24
    DYS 391 – 11
    DYS 392 – 13
    DYS 393 – 13
    DYS 437 – 14 (? not clear)
    DYS 438 – 12
    DYS 439 – 10
    DYS 448 – 19
    DYS 456 – 15
    DYS 458 – 16
    DYS 635 – 23
    YGATAH4 – 11
    What does this mean? Fortunately, a genius by the name of Whit Athey provides the key to this list. Mr Athey is a retired physicist whose working career was primarily at the Food and Drug Administration where he was chief of one of the medical device labs.
    Mr Athey received his doctorate in physics and biochemistry at Tufts University, and undergraduate (engineering) and masters (math) degrees at Auburn University. For several years during the 1980s, he also taught one course each semester in the electrical engineering department of the University of Maryland. Besides his interest in genetic genealogy, he is an amateur astronomer and has his own small observatory near his home in Brookeville, MD.
    He also runs a very valuable website called the “Haplogroup Predictor” which allows users to input STR data and generate the haplogroup which marks those STR data.
    For those who want to know what a haplogroup is, here is a “simple” definition: a haplogroup is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor with a single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation.
    Still none the wiser? Damn these scientists.
    Ok, let’s try it this way: a haplotype is a combination of multiple specific locations of a gene or DNA sequence on a chromosome.
    Haplogroups are assigned letters of the alphabet, and refinements consist of additional number and letter combinations, for example R1b or R1b1. Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA haplogroups have different haplogroup designations. In essence, haplogroups give an inisight into ancestral origins dating back thousands of years.
    By entering all the STR data inadvertently shown on the Discovery video, a 99.6 percent fit with the R1b haplogroup is revealed.
    The significance is, of course, that R1b is the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe reaching its highest concentrations in Ireland, Scotland, western England and the European Atlantic seaboard — in other words, European through and through.
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    Ocko, your copy-pasted article only confirms what I was telling you before - that the haplogroups of Tutankhamen are closely connected to the European Atlantic shore, and thus to predominantly Old European populations. His genes are indeed Europid, but not much Aryan imprint there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    There is a whole range of YouTube movies explaining the Aryaness (or causianess or whiteness or IEness and so fort)
    Aryanness is both ethno-cultural and biological. It's not the same thing as whiteness. I've explained dozens of times that the Aryans were Europid, but not all Europids are Aryans, yet this fact somehow doesn't sink in.

    Do the Finns and Estonians count as "Aryan" to you? What about Indians and Pakistanis (who are linguistically IE, but not genetically)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
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    Do the Finns and Estonians count as "Aryan" to you? What about Indians and Pakistanis (who are linguistically IE, but not genetically)?
    Though not 100% genetically dissimilar, and both speaking an Indo-Aryan/Indo-European language, one of these is not like the rest:


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    That Aryans are Europeans but not all Europeans are Aryan is a statement and not an explanation.

    a statement is just that like the moon is a sphere, you could also make a statement it is a dice.

    If you want, a statement is a thesis whose veracity has to be proven by facts and by arguments not by other statements that for example that early Europeans were not Aryans and were pushed by Aryans to the edges of Europe.

    I doubt that early Europeans were not part of the root race of 'white' people, which I favor to call Aryans.

    when you think youo can proof that early Europeans were not Aryans I will look at it, otherwise I think you have a group of statements forming a belief.

    That is ok with me but it does not challenge what I belief or know.

    for me white people all go back to the same root race by virtue of their similarity.

    what is different is the timeframe we think in. My timeframe goes back much further than yours (Most likely your timeframe goes back to 40,000 years as prehistorians belief is the appearance of modern humans in europe with adjustment to different Iceages)
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    Are Pakistanis Aryan? most likely partly, comparably to Egyptians. Thoughthe Egyptians have negroid in their admixture what I think is missing in Pakistanis.


    Pakistanis in my opinion have been part of the Mongols or better Moghuls which lived in that area. As you probably know I identify Those Mongols as essentially Tartars and thus as Aryan.

    whatever language they speak is not of my interest. The negroes in America also speak an Aryan language without belonging to that race. Same is with Arabs who mainly speak french or Southamericans who speak Latin.

    Language does not necessarily indicate the proper racial denomination, neither geography nor their culture.

    It is a pointer but no proof.
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    Right, it is more precisely an ethno-linguistic term, a cultural term, irrespective of race, although we in modern times have overloaded its meaning with racial connotations, and this racial/phenotypal association may exist for solid reasons given the reconstructed physical anthropological understanding of the original Aryans physique & traits. However the term can be problematic in modern discourse, as has been outlined above, due to the logical 'all grapes are fruit = all fruit are grapes' problems mentioned with regard to the term in modern context.

    If it is being used euphemistically for those of a phenotype consistent with the modern European north, you may end up lost in a semantic debate, even if on the core of the discussion there may be little or no disagreement.

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    why would that be an ethno-linguistic term? What is the reason to not use it as a racial term?

    You do not know how the root race called itself nor do I. what is clear is that around 5000 years ago descendants of the root race called themselves like that. and they are identified by language and culture/religion. and today might be identified by DNA/Genes etc.

    there is no proper name for the root race and everyone talks around that like a cat sneaks around a pot with hot milk.

    To give it a name gives identity to the root race and gives identity to their descendants.

    Jewish dominated science (is financed by them to a great extent and in DNA science they are prominent today) will not allow this identity. Infect it is contrary to their World dominance scheme which currently unfolds.

    for me to avoid naming our root race is a anti-white policy and I do not buy into that to sound scientific, clever and educate which is basically just the title you get buying into their ideology which is cultural Marxism. Race does not exist und all people are equal except Jews.

    I rather stick to science and the results obtained by National Socialism then to those of cultural Marxism.

    It is my choice but on a Germanic preservation site this seems to be the more appropriate one.

    semantics seem to some non sense but terms are important parts of cultural Marxism or precisely the redefining of it. Race is just one of many terms they redefined and it is an important one for identity which finally leads to a healthy attitude to other races.

    Talking about ethno-cultural terms, geographical terms and what not is just an avoiding of something (race) cultural Marxism accomplished to put in the head of people. Hence you have now complete belief systems based on twisted terms,basically a brainwash program to destroy any identity (beside that, there is gender, family etc on the list of redifined terms.)

    Hence also the silence about the DNA tests of the Pharaohs in the jewcontrolled mass media.

    Jews are not a straw men but the 500 lbs Gorilla. In the room nobody dares to talk about.
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