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Thread: European Islam; Illyrians, Albanians or Shiptars?

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    We should look at the influence of Islam in Europe and whether this can be disentangled.
    What of the connections between Islam and Christianity - I regard Islam as a reaction against Christianity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    "Nyet. Mohammed couldn't read, and the Bible had not yet been translated into Arabic at that time. Islam is the final stage of the Abrahmaic religion, and it was flooded with will to power, and it turned on Europe. As it is current doing again. Islam did not start off as a reaction to Christianity and was hellbent on annihilating Byzantium/Europe because it was a great power. It also did the same with Iran".
    There are many passages in the Koran, such as the following [I quote from an English translation of the original Arabic];

    "We sent forth Jesus son of Mary, confirming the Torah already revealed, and gave him the Gospel, in which there is guidance and light".
    [The Koran, AL-MA'IDAH, 5:47]

    This establishes knowledge of the Christian Bible.

    The scholarly introduction to this translation of the Koran states;

    "The Koran accuses the Jews of corrupting the Scriptures and the Christians of worshipping Jesus as the son of God, although He had expressly commanded them to worship none but Him.
    Having thus gone astray, they must be brought back to the right path, to the true religion preached by Abraham. This was Islam".
    [Introduction ib., N.J. Dawood, Penguin 1989]

    This is nothing other than a reaction to Christianity.
    And of the Prophet himself -

    "Impressed by Jewish and Christian monotheism, a number of theists, or spiritual fundamentalists, known as Hanifs, had already rejected idolatry for an ascetic religion of their own. Mohammed appears to have been influenced by them".
    [ib.,]

    The great writer H. Belloc even went so far as to call Islam a "Christian heresy" [see his series of books on the development of Christianity].

    "Albanians start civil wars in Macedonia, Serbia, Greece and Kosovo ...
    The Albanians were moved from the other side (eastern side) of the Black Sea by the Turks, at the time they were known as the Shiptars, and colonised a section of the Balkans under Turkish protection. They are not, and never will be, Europeans, racially or culturally.
    [Mass of expulsion of Albanians] is my idea of solving a problem that is tearing apart south east Europe, that is kickstarted and driven by Islamic and Albanian terrorist expansionism. Maybe you didn't notice how the Albanians managed to carve a chunk out of Kosovo and then pour across into Macedonia to start a campaign there a while ago. I did".
    'Shiptar' [from Shqiptar] is a pejorative name for Macedonian Albanians, and your use of it shows the level of your bias.
    You should know that the Illyrians [ancient name for the Albanians] were a pre-Indo-European people of Old Europe.
    Incorporated into the Roman Empire, The Emperor Justinian I [the codifier of Roman Law] was an Illyrian.
    Know also that the Goths over-ran Illyria in the 4th and 5th centuries.
    In the Middle Ages invasions not only by the Asiatic Huns, Avars, Bulgars and Magyars, but also by Aryan peoples such as the Normans, Angevins, Lombards, Serbian Slavs and Venetians followed.
    Despite all this the Illyrian language survived! Even though Greek and Latin were the 'official' lingos.
    The 14th century saw first a Serbian conquest of Albania, followed by an Ottoman one. But the Albanians fiercely resisted the latter for 4 centuries!
    In this period many Albanians fled to Greece and Italy.

    Only by the early 16th century had the Turks completed their conquest, but even then, non-Turkised Albanians continued to resist [the tribes up in the mountains being particularly indomitable; these highland clans of the north are called the Gheg and live by the ancient law of the blood-feud; they have little in common with the lowlanders, or Tosks, of the south].
    They fought for independence and defeated the Turks in 1912 - but Kosovo, despite it having a majority Albanian population, was given to Serbia!
    This is the root of the recent conflict of course.

    Hitler recognised this injustice and gave Kosovo back to the Albanians; of course, in 1944 the Communists took over, impoverishing Albania and returning Kosovo to Serbia.

    In 1967 Albania was declared an atheist state!
    So much for Marxism - two thirds of Albania's population are Muslims, the rest being Christian, Catholics and Orthodox.
    There are important minorities, including the Vlach speaking pastoralists of the east, Italians in the coastal cities and Greeks who like to call southern Albania 'northern Epirus'.

    "you seem a bit willing to compromise on the fact Islam is inside Europe, devouring it from the inside".
    I have never compromised on my position on religion.
    My earliest posts on this site show that I have always fought for an uncompromising religious toleration.
    This position is based on the uncompromising 25 points of the NSDAP.

    The problem is NOT one of religion, but one of race.

    Islam has been in Europe for centuries; it is considered a problem today because of the ramifications of American support for Israel.
    Once again, the Jews divide and rule with their vile lust for revenge.
    I will not fall for it - to do so would mean compromising with the Jew.
    Religion is not the issue.

    Sir Oswald Mosley carried on the position of the National Socialists on this one in the post-war period;

    "I believe in complete religious toleration. All shall be free either to worship as they wish, or to keep their religion to themselves.
    And I shall have no great respect for anyone who tries to introduce such questions into politics ...It is nearly always the sign of a charlatan".
    [Mosley 1961]

    "Turn on the TV next time a city in your own country explodes in race riots...
    There are fourteen million MUSLIMS in France".
    You said it; "race riots" - not religious riots.
    The most disproportionately criminal element in Britain is the Jamaican. These are not Muslims, but they ARE Negroes.
    There are 10.0 million Muslims in the EU as a whole!
    [Sources: The Muslim Council of Britain/CIA; The Economist September 2003]
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    Fact remains that many Europeans regard Islam as a threat. As Islam is an extra-European force, I think we should not waste this opportunity to have Europeans react against the non-European world.
    I have read the Qur'an, and I don't think it has much to offer Europe anyway (in a spiritual sense).
    Troy Southgate has written an interesting article on relationship between nationalist forces and Islam: http://www.rosenoire.org/articles/enemy.php
    It is written from a National Anarchist perspective, of course.

    edit: Moody, in your post above you ascribed a certain comment to me, while it was OnionPeeler's. Just thought I should point it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Moody Lawless replies; You said it; "race riots" - not religious riots.
    The most disproportionately criminal element in Britain is the Jamaican. These are not Muslims, but they ARE Negroes.
    [Sources: The Muslim Council of Britain/CIA; The Economist September 2003]
    I think, even when Negroes are because of their stupid brutality and their lack of being able to live in a high culture of Western type directly a greater annoyance in Western cities, the Islam as a directly aggressive element within our countries is more dangerous: Islam tries as a polito-religious ideology to take over control of our society and change the culture and character of our continent. And "Orientals", generally spoken, are also different physical and mental-psychical, though not as "stupid" as Negroes. As racial menace they are perhaps even more dangerous for our blood, because they are relatively "nearer" to Europeans, and so the barriers between the races easier fall down easier.
    I of course don't want to "apologize" Negroes in America and England , but I think, a reawakened white folk and revolutionary government will get much easier rid of them and push them back to where they came from than it will with the Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    ...but I think, a reawakened white folk and revolutionary government will get much easier rid of them and push them back to where they came from than it will with the Muslims.
    And this is exactly what is needed. Not a compromise "will you please go home to the dark continent, we think it's morally wrong for you to stay here" *cough* system, but a revolt of the European peoples against both the current system and those who benefit from it (racial foreigners and those who hold to their cultures) from the foundations up.
    Last edited by Moody; Tuesday, December 12th, 2006 at 05:26 PM. Reason: updated thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried
    "Fact remains that many Europeans regard Islam as a threat".
    I maintain that this is due to the post-war Western support for Israel. The Moslems are therefore directing their WHOLLY JUSTIFIED rage against America and her lackeys.
    However, I think the recation to Islamic terrorism is wholly disprortionate. In 1999 there were only 16 deaths attributed to terrorism in general in Western Europe; while in the same year, in America, there were 15, 530 murders and 41, 611 road deaths. So even the 3, 000 supposedly killed by Muslims in 9/11 pall into insiginificance against the general criminality endemic in multiracial societies.
    No, it suits the Jews to hype up Islamophobia [in the meantime Israel can make 1, 500 people homeless in a single raid on the occupied territories and get away with it].
    Race is the basis; while non-Whites should be deprived of European citizenship under a pan-European Nationalist government, religious toleration should be adhered to, lest we looking at re-establishing a Theocracy.

    "As Islam is an extra-European force, I think we should not waste this opportunity to have Europeans react against the non-European world".
    The same could be said of Christianity, but Aloysha thinks we should bring back 'Christendom'!

    "I have read the Qur'an, and I don't think it has much to offer Europe anyway (in a spiritual sense)".
    That is your opinion - but look at the excellent work done by David Myatt in the field of Islam/National Socialism. The point is that in a religiously tolerant state you could choose to be religious or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    "I of course don't want to 'apologize' Negroes in America and England, but I think, a reawakened white folk and revolutionary government will get much easier rid of them and push them back to where they came from than it will with the Muslims".
    My point is that a racial programme shouldn't be confused with a religious one. Religion [and irreligion] should be a private thing - you can change your religion, but you can't change your race [Jews excepted].

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    And this is exactly what is needed. Not a compromise "will you please go home to the dark continent, we think it's morally wrong for you to stay here" *cough* system, but a revolt of the European peoples against both the current system and those who benefit from it (racial foreigners and those who hold to their cultures) from the foundations up.
    I have never compromised on the racial question. You originally said that "islam was the Enemy of Europe"; my argument was against such RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE.

    Now you are on record as saying that you want to bring back Christendom; you should know that this is objectionable to Aryans of other faiths as well as to agnostics and atheists.
    Is Christianity the "culture of racial foreigners"?

    That is NOT a racial policy; it is a theocratic one.

    If great fighters for the White European race, such as David Myatt, can be Muslims, then that tells me that religion itself is not the issue.
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    Post Re: What is to be done?

    Suppose, Moody, a white man gets himself circumcised, does the whole set of rituals, and then turns up to a certain building once a week with an undersized, slightly flattened, dome shaped hat on - is he an enemy of the 'white race'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Then you definetly need to check out East London or turn on the TV next time a city in your own country explodes in race riots. Hell, I counted six two years ago, I haven't been paying much attention since.
    And the point here is - what? Especially "what" in relation ot Islam.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    There are fourteen million MUSLIMS in France, they have taken over hunderds of towns and are administraing Sharia law, kickstarting riots and gang warfare in Paris, pack raping white French girls,
    Point 1 - they have not taken over hundreds of towns and are not administrating Shariah law. Do you know what Shariah law means and implies? A society governned by an Ameer who rules according to Quran and Sunnah, which among many other things means trial by Islamic criteria and punishment according to Quran and Sunnah, such as chopping off the hands of thieves.

    Point 2 - Aren't you confusing peoples of other races with Muslims? What is a Muslim - according to you? Muslims do not indulge in gang warfare and neither do they rape "white girls". Such things are forbidden according to Quran and Sunnah.


    You might just as well say that gangs of christians are rioting and indulging in gang warfare and christians are raping white women, for arn't most people in France "christians"??

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    skinheads and white gangs in Germany fight muslim Turks
    Many Turkish immigrants are not Muslims - that is, they do not pray five times a day; they do not follow the guidance of the Quran and Sunnah; they do not fast in ramadan; they do not pay Zakat.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    the crime rate skyrockets in your own country whenever the Muslims congregate in large numbers
    And your proof is?

    Once again, it seems you confuse immigrants with Muslims. Some immigrants are Muslim - not all. Some children of Muslim families are not Muslim - they have abdoned their faith.

    Have you ever lived among Muslims - especially in a European city? If you had, you might realize that they are quite law-abiding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    civil war rages in south European Russia between white Slavs and Chechen Muslim
    No -Russia has occupied the land of the Chechen people and has and is conducting a brutal campaign of repression and terror there. The Muslims are fighitng a war to liberate their own country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Albanians start civil wars in Macedonia, Serbia, Greece and Kosovo,

    Very simplistic view. Islam has very little to do with those conflicts - race, culture, has a lot to do with them. Muslims fight to create an Islamic society - no way is Albania an Islamic society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    . Islam isn't a race, I know this - it's the ideology of multiple colonist populations, and it is a threat to EUROPE.

    No, Islam is a threat to the NWO - to the Zionists and their plans. Islam is not an ideology either, it's a way of life based on honor.

    Islam is the true ally of a true Europeans - by which I mean White Europeans who know and follow their own culture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Suppose, Moody, a white man gets himself circumcised, does the whole set of rituals, and then turns up to a certain building once a week with an undersized, slightly flattened, dome shaped hat on - is he an enemy of the 'white race'?
    No.

    Islam is the true ally of true Europeans - fighting the same enemies as we are, which is ZOG. And - hey - they're actually fighting them! With weapons. They are giving up their lives. What is the "white race" doing against our enemy - against "the enemy of Europe"?

    Siding with the NWO; supporting the puppet NWO governments such as that of Blair. Or having a good time, unconcerned with their race. Or posting items to Internet forums and playing "soldier of fortune" on the computer. Or forming "democratic" parties in the hope of getting elected - a la the NF in France, which has changed what in how many decades? Or doing dishonorable cowardly things like a gang of whites attacking one "immigrant" or "Muslim" to prove how "hard" and "nazi" they are.

    Here's an interesting item from dave Myatt:


    Palestine, Islam, The West, and the Zionist Quest for World Domination



    The Zionist Problem:

    The greatest problem facing the world today is that of Zionist power and influence. The Zionists - with their centre in Palestine - have through their influence on America and other Western nations, and through their use of moral blackmail (the so-called "holocaust") effectively now govern the world.

    All the societies of the West are now governed according to Zionist political and social ideas as a result of over fifty years of Zionist social engineering. That is, all these societies are basically crypto-Marxist Police States: dedicated to a crypto-Marxist political ideology (euphemistically called "political correctness") which is ruthlessly maintained by tyrannical laws which make practical political opposition to this ideology illegal. Furthermore, these laws are brutally enforced by the State-controlled Police and the State intelligence organizations, with dissidents arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned.

    What is astonishing about all this is that the majority of the people of these States are oblivious to how their freedom, their culture, their ancient ways of life, have been taken away and suppressed. And they are oblivious because their new Masters generally keep them well-fed, well-entertained, and have brainwashed them with crypto-Marxist ideology from an early age through television, the Media, the entertainment industry, and in Schools.

    In effect, the majority are kept docile and distracted: taught to seek only after lowly material goals and their own pleasure. Those few who do see the truth are bought or scared off, or persecuted, and if such persecuted truth-seekers seek to change the System in a practical way they are arrested under one or other of the new tyrannical State laws, and imprisoned. No effective and practical opposition to this new State tyranny is allowed or tolerated. And should some new political movement become a threat, then new laws will be passed to stifle the growth of this movement, as its leaders can and will be prosecuted in civil courts for some made-up crime and forced to hand over their financial assets.

    Crucial to this control of people's minds has been the lie of the holocaust. With the lie, the Zionists were able to occupy Palestine, dispossess the Palestinians in a brutal way, and maintain an evil military occupation of Palestinian lands, all without any effective opposition from the world whatsoever. Whatever atrocities the Zionists have committed in Palestine - and there are a multitude - and whatever new atrocities they commit, the nations of the West turn a blind eye, cowered as they are by the lie of the holocaust and mentally controlled as they are by the Zionist created ideas which underlie their crypto-Marxist States: the ideas of usury, of Marxism, of a sex-obsessed Freudian psychology, of sociology (Durkheim; Levi-Strauss). Such is the infestation of the societies of the West by Zionist ideas that a nation like Britain now has well over a million "social workers" who swarm around enforcing crypto-Marxist social policies and brainwashing the inhabitants with crypto-Marxist dogma.

    With this lie of the holocaust, the Zionists have created - through American and European aid and help - a powerful military machine in Palestine which is superior to that of any of its neighbours, thus assuring an on-going and overwhelming Zionist military superiority.

    Palestine is central to the aims for Zionism, for Zionists see it as the centre of the new world order they wish to create: their base of operations; their safe haven; their spiritual home from which their fellow Zionists can draw inspiration, and to which they go and live if they ever need to or want to.

    For Zionists sincerely believe they have a God-given right not only to Palestine, but also to govern the world. As the then Chief Rabbi of Great Britain, Dr. Jakobovits, said, in an unguarded moment: "the Jews were chosen... and Israel [and thus Zionism] has a special place as an instrument to effect the Jew's social engineering upon the world." [Interview published in The Guardian newspaper (London) on 7th August 1982]

    Furthermore, Zionists believe their own people - the Jews - are superior to every other people on this planet, and that all these other peoples have been put on the Earth for their benefit. Hence the Zionist disrespect for, and brutal suppression of, the rights and welfare of others, and indeed the Zionist belief that they have been chosen by God.

    Because of this messianic Zionist belief, the creation of a Zionist State, and the power and influence of Zionism, the centre of world-politics has shifted from Europe, and America, to the Middle East. If Zionism is to be defeated on the practical level in the near future, and thus European and other countries freed from Zionist domination, then Zionism needs to be defeated in its power-base, in its centre: in Palestine. That is, the Zionist State itself needs to be destroyed.



    Resistance to Zionism in Palestine:

    The Zionists have not had things all their own way in Palestine, despite their military might, their brutal terror, the billions upon billions of dollars of aid from America, and the technical support of every single Western nation.

    The Palestinian people continue to fiercely resist their Zionist Occupation Government. Over the past few weeks, well-over a hundred Palestinians have died in clashes with the Zionist occupiers of their lands, with these clashes continuing despite American attempts to blackmail and coerce the Palestinian authorities into agreeing a "peace deal" (that is, into agreeing to surrender to the demands of the Zionists).



    Why are they resisting in such a way?

    What is important about the practical struggle in occupied Palestine and the neighbouring States is that those engaged in effective and practical opposition to Zionism understand the true nature of Zionism, having not only to live with the brutal ignoble reality of Zionism every day of their lives, but also and most importantly having a way of life which has not become infected with Zionist ideas, and which indeed is immune to the modern disruptive, corrupting, unnatural, ignoble, morally degrading Zionist-created ideas which have paralysed the will of the peoples of the West.

    This way of life which is immune to the dishonourable, morally-degrading and tyrannizing ideas of Zionism is Islam.

    Because of this, Islam has become the only practical opposition to Zionism in both Palestine itself, and in the world in general. For Islam is fighting Zionism on its own terms - on the terms of a God-given revelation which inspires faith and action, which inspires martyrdom, and which informs and warns people about the perfidy, the tricks and machinations, of the Jews (as the prophet Jesus did, according to ancient, uncorrupted - pre-Zionist - Christian doctrine).

    Zionism is totally powerless when faced with pure Islam, which is why the Zionists have tried so hard for decades, with the assistance of American (and most European) governments, to not only prevent the emergence of true Islamic States, but also to divide Muslims and undermine Islam itself.

    But so long as the fundamentals of Islam remain pure - for instance, the belief in the Quran as the literal word of God, of Muhammad as the last Prophet - then Islam cannot be corrupted by Zionists.



    The Political Reality of Our Times:

    The practical political reality of our times - of the next century or so - is the increasing world-divide between Islam, and the forces of Zionism, where included in the forces of Zionism are Western countries such as America, whose military, technical and economic might is now and for the foreseeable future harnessed to the cause of Zionism, and in particular to the maintenance and survival of the Zionist State in Palestine, as has been so amply demonstrated over the past few decades.

    In effect, the world is and will be for a long time divided into those who oppose the Zionist State in Palestine (and who seek to weaken and destroy it) and those who desire to maintain and strengthen this Zionist State. And it is this practical divide - this practical political and revolutionary struggle to support or destroy the Zionist State "on the ground" - which is the most important political priority of our times.

    Of course, many Westerners today neither see nor understand this stark political reality, still living as they mostly do under the illusion that somehow the West is important, and vital, due to its technology, its science, its achievements, its material success.

    But what must be understood by these Westerners, and others, is that this Western technology, this Western wealth, and this science, are being manipulated by and for Zionist interests, who control the foreign and military policies of all Western governments, either covertly (one thinks here of a Jew in charge of American Defence, and a Jew as American Secretary of State) or through the use of moral blackmail such as the lie of the holocaust



    Practical Solutions to the Zionist Problem:

    1) The weakening (and hopefully destruction) of the Zionist State itself by Islamic forces opposed to the perfidy and evil of Zionism. This will destroy once and for all the lie of the Jews as the chosen people of God, and put an end to their social engineering, and their messianic schemes and dreams.

    2) The elimination of Zionist influence and control in other countries of the world through the political and/or revolutionary success of Islamic movements, with these new Islamic countries giving aid and practical support to those fighting to destroy the Zionist State.

    3) The destruction of the lie of the holocaust, which has been and still is, central to the manipulation of the peoples of the West by Zionists.

    4) The elimination of Zionist influence and control in Western countries through the political and/or revolutionary success of political anti-Zionist movements, which include National-Socialist groups.

    Whatever can be done - by whomsoever - to undermine and destroy Zionist influence, and the Zionist State itself, can and should be done. The most urgent practical necessity is to aid and assist those now fighting the Zionist State in a practical way, for it is correct to say that the future of the world depends on the continuation and success of this practical and Islamic fight against the Zionist State itself.

    The current Intifada in occupied Palestine must be understood for what it is: resistance to a brutal Government of Occupation, and one of the first battles in the war to destroy the evil of world Zionism. In the same way, the so-called "war against the Zionist-Crusader alliance" - launched by groups such as Al-Qaeda - must be understood for what it really is - an extension of the world-wide, practical and ideological war to destroy world Zionism. This war - launched by Islamic groups - has driven the Zionist-crusader alliance to respond in military, ideological and political terms.

    In military terms, the Zionist alliance has invaded two Muslim lands - Afghanistan and Iraq - and created military governments of occupation. In political terms, the Zionist alliance has introduced tyrannical laws in all Western nations which allow for the arrest and indefinite detention without trial of anyone the Zionist and their lackeys consider a threat. In addition, the use of torture of suspects has become widespread and accepted. Ideologically, the Zionist alliance have instigated a campaign to tame, redefine and "modernize" Islam, and to this end has recruited Muslim "moderates" to undermine the efforts of those Muslims who seek to create Islamic societies based only on the guidance contained in the Quran and Sunnah, and who seek to eliminate the influence of what Muslims call "the kuffar" (infidels).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Suppose, Moody, a white man gets himself circumcised, does the whole set of rituals, and then turns up to a certain building once a week with an undersized, slightly flattened, dome shaped hat on - is he an enemy of the 'white race'?

    Check out the new article from Myatt I've posted in the Articles section with the title Why Islam is our Ally.
    Last edited by Moody; Tuesday, December 12th, 2006 at 05:27 PM. Reason: merged consecutive posts

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    Rhadley. Islam is an idea. Ideas do not actualise themselves.

    The European/Western world has three enemies. Those inside (racial foreigners and their identities, which includes Islam as an idea), those outside (Arabs who identify the European-Western native populations with the States that are used as tools by the elites against the Arabs), and those on top (guess who).
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: What is to be done?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Rhadley. Islam is an idea. Ideas do not actualise themselves.

    The European/Western world has three enemies. Those inside (racial foreigners and their identities, which includes Islam as an idea), those outside (Arabs who identify the European-Western native populations with the States that are used as tools by the elites against the Arabs), and those on top (guess who).
    i agree with u!
    The muslims doesn't have a concept of "race".
    They have a concept of a religioussociety, surely closer to the jewish concept than to ours,
    That's why they are fighting each other and in the same time they are both corrupting our society from the inside.
    If a Swede will convert to Islam for the muslims it will be ok, same if a black African will do the same
    Islam si not an ally but an enmy that is busy on two fronts, against us and against the Jews.
    We should use this Islam/Judaism conflict on our behalf.

    the Christendom came from the east that's true but how many non-whites were involved in the beginning? only few apostles and no one else, the bulk of Christendom was the Ellenic world and then the Roman world.
    The Christian doctrine as we know it was mainly elaborated by european theologists of the Classic World so it's not so alien like Islam.

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
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    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    Rhadley. Islam is an idea. Ideas do not actualise themselves.
    Well, here I disagree.

    What is an "idea"? Do we go back to Plato for a definition? or modern philosophy?

    What is a way of life? What is the difference between a way of life and a "religion"? Is National Socialism an idea, a way of life, or a religion? [Shucks - should have said - whose NS of course!]

    I'd say Islam is a way of life - more than a religion, and beyond an "idea".

    Myatt makes a distinction between an idea, an ideal and a way of life.

    His definition of the first two:

    Idea:

    An idea is basically a created model for which no natural *archetype exists. Abstract ideas express a concept of what is 'common' - that is, what is not the best; what is not of excellence. An idea is the exact opposite of an *ideal. Ideals represent and express personal, or individual, character; an idea represents and abstraction which individuals are expected to conform to or be subservient to.

    Ideal:

    An ideal is something which enshrines what is excellent, or which represents what is the best. It is a practical embodiment of excellence itself; some thing, or some person, distinguished because that thing or that person is the best - for example, the most courageous person in a battle who is distinguished from their comrades by their brave actions.

    On the individual level, idealism means individuals undertaking deeds of exceptional merit which mark them out, and doing this because they themselves strive for the excellence of an ideal or ideals.

    An ideal stands directly opposed to an abstract idea. Ideals are human - that is, organic; as such they are possessed of *numinosity; they are *archetypal and thus inspiring for individuals. Ideas are abstract, and lifeless - and thus essentially in-human. National-Socialism is based upon human ideals; all modern societies are based upon lifeless abstract ideas. [Source: Meaning of NS, third edition, 114yf]

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    The European/Western world has three enemies. Those inside (racial foreigners and their identities, which includes Islam as an idea), those outside (Arabs who identify the European-Western native populations with the States that are used as tools by the elites against the Arabs), and those on top (guess who).
    Enemy in what way?

    I'd say - we have only two enemies at the moment. 1 is ZOG aka the New World Order (and its ideas). 2. Ourselves - our basic lack of understanding what being Aryan (or European if your prefer) means, for which see Myatt's Complete Guide to the Aryan Way of Life. Essence of this Aryan way is honor, and reason. Honor implies being fair and, yep, tolerant, unless you're under direct attack from real enemies.

    Anyways, I'd say not all non-Aryans are our enemy - what sort of world do you desire? A primative one where might is right and where people always fight for domination and always have enemies, real or perceived?

    I'd say that view is not honorable, and certainly doesn't allow for our evolution as a conscious, rational species.

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