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    Cool General Patton & The Wehrmacht

    General Patton after the defeate of Germany wanted to rearm the Germans and with the combined stregnth of the USA and the Wermacht ( and the SS ) attempt to push the Soviets out of Eastern Europe and back to their own borders. Wold it have worked?

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    Re: General Patton & The Wermacht

    No. The Soviet Army was much too strong on the ground and scared the hell out of the Americans or there would never even have been talk of such a thing. Patton didn't like Nazis, he just hated communists worse.

    There have always been rumors, though, of the Nazis collapsing fronts in exchange for other interests. One source claims the USA was allowed more territory by the Germans (so it wouldn't go Soviet) in exchange for technical secrets. Also, the Dulles brothers were in Switzerland and attempting to play various factions of the Nazis against each other from undercovers. Even Patton himself is viewed with some suspicion since his 3rd Army diverted from the race to Berlin and entered Thuringia, for reasons unknown at the time. There he captured the Jonas Valley inspite of heavy delaying resistance from the SS and SS mountain units. Why would Patton divert from Berlin only to capture Weimar? He did and then had to turn around and give it to the Soviets since it was going to be part of their zone of occupation, and Patton knew this before going there. Patton is accused of finding and wanting to keep some secret German devices and German gold.

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    Re: General Patton & The Wermacht

    Yes, it would have worked.

    This scenario would have afforded the recently defeated SS Divisions a chance to regain their honor and glory against the commies. They had no original beef with the Americans anyway. Summer would be a prime to time to move and with the Americans logistical supply system coupled with an overwhelming production base, weapons, ammo, and equipment a vast joint arsenal could be readily deployed to front line advancing troops.

    The King Tiger tank could be produced in sufficient numbers to weigh in favorably as well. Soviet terrain and avenues of approach as well as supply routes were well known by this stage of the war. American air superiority would have wreaked havoc on the soviets. German armor had already overcome its tracks obstacles leading to many stuck tanks in the mud during the earlier offensive. Conversely, oil freezing problems had already been solved as well.

    The soviet scorched earth policy would not have worked against an Ameri/German Army as the US supplied SS would not have the need of captured supplies. The soviets would have in fact suffered more due to their own earlier scorched earth policies as they were pushed back across the plains toward the heart of the budding soviet empire. The soviets were too extended to veer off all flanking maneuvers mounted against them and they could not count on Germans dying off in droves due to lacking winter equipment this go around being that the Americans would supply such cold weather gear. The shipping lanes would not be patrolled by German Wolfpacks of U-boats to even slow down the American juggernaut from steamrolling huge amounts of matériel into the offensive at all.

    All of Hitler's secret weaponry could now be deployed against the soviets as well as American ingenuity thrown in the mix. Stalin was already having health issues which may have further eroded his leadership capabilities in an extended campaign. Certainly, pressure from his generals to sue for peace before being annihilated would be a daily reality. Patton's charisma, leadership, and tactical prowess combined with the tenacity and discipline of the mighty SS would be a most formidable foe for any enemy, indeed.

    And if all else failed, it was the USA who developed and deployed the atom bombs first. We could just light Stalingrad up to 5000 degrees Fahrenheit and there would be nothing for the soviets to do but sizzle and fizz.

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    Re: General Patton & The Wermacht

    It's an interesting thought. It's unlikely Britain would have fought on - our manpower resources were always finite, and we had been reduced to breaking up units (even whole divisions) to supply replacements to the front, and communist influence in society would have made attacking "Uncle Joe" politically difficult, to say the least.
    There was widespread disorder behind the Soviet lines though. The remnants of Axis units were still moving around, and anti-Soviet partisans continued fighting until the 1950's (the last Lithuanian partisan was killed in 1978), and these would have joined us. The Red Army was still raping and plundering for some time after the war finished and so would not have been fully combat effective.
    I wonder...

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    Re: General Patton & The Wermacht

    No . This would not have been permitted by the Grand Masters.

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    Re: General Patton & The Wermacht

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    No . This would not have been permitted by the Grand Masters.
    We were not permitted by the "Grand Masters." Patton was not permitted by them either. History tells us that already. But logistically it was possible. And even sound. Despite them ,we shall overcome.

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    Re: General Patton & The Wehrmacht

    By war's end US President Rosenfeld was so in love with Uncle Joe and hatred for all things German was so ingrained that the Allies would never have dreamed of shifting shapes to partner with their racial brothers against the Mongol hordes in the east.

    The rape of eastern Germany and the infernoes in Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin and elsewhere were all a dream come true for the Chosenite Masters, who were afterall the founders of Bolshevism.

    Patton was as alone in his vision of the future as we are here today.

    As for SS glory, there was never a need for the Waffen SS to regain their honor and glory as they were never lost. The SS fought admirably and honorably to the bitter end and beyond, earning legendary status that will one day be universally seen in much the same light as the Spartans at Thermopylae. Meine Ehre heisst Treue ... and loyal they were.

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    Re: General Patton & The Wermacht

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    No . This would not have been permitted by the Grand Masters.
    Yessir, the kosher Hidden Hand would have sabotaged this right and left but it could have come to a head quickly between the patriotic Western Forces and the Shabbaz Goyim....

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    Re: General Patton & The Wehrmacht

    Quote Originally Posted by Zauberspruch View Post

    As for SS glory, there was never a need for the Waffen SS to regain their honor and glory as they were never lost. The SS fought admirably and honorably to the bitter end and beyond...
    Unfortunately, history tells a different story. The SS were hunted down and hounded like feral dogs. To this day, we hear news accounts of former SS being persecuted, expelled from countries, and even tried in zionist courts. And the Nazi "Werewolf" squads, though brave, were a miserable failure overall. I even personally know of an SS man who buried all of his uniforms and regalia in his parents backyard in Germany to help conceal his SS history. I also know of a Bosnian SS man who had to flee to Turkey and his son even hid the picture of him in his uniform from people. I do not blame them in the least.

    We can march down the street wearing SS bolts now more than people could after the war for sure. Unless you live in an oppressive hate crime regime such as Germany or Kanada that is! Savitri Devi documents how many SS were kept in terrible conditions after the war. Some in dark, dank underground type prisons and as slave type labor. The jews reveled in this too with many humiliating trials and circumstances . I love and honor the SS just as much as anyone here. But my original statement still stands strong and true. Had the ZOG masters not kept Patton from utilizing the SS, then the SS would have a chance to regain their previous Honor and Glory. Here is just one account of the wretched fate many SS men endured even unto their graves:

    Savitri Devi documents in her most excellent book:

    "And Time Rolls On" http://www.savitridevi.org/atro.html

    This document tells how the jewish handlers had only forty eight hundred gallant SS men come back alive from africa working slave labor, waist deep in filthy water, in a deadly lead mine under negroid "supervision". The negroids were first told by the jews that these SS men hated negroids before being released to their murderous charge. There was not one White present in leadership there during their subsequent torturous affair at the hands of the purposely mislead negroids. Only forty eight hundred of the captured SS men returned to Germany out of an original EIGHTEEN THOUSAND! I am sure that if the elite SS had of known their wretched fate to be upon surrendering to the "allies", they would have rather fought to the death to the very last man.

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    AW: General Patton & The Wehrmacht

    Would have worked like a charme.
    The Red Army fought with its last reserves and was logistically on its limits.
    Further more the superior air force of the allies combined with the doctrines and technology from the Luftwaffe would have rendered the Red Army virtually immobile.
    It would have been a fairly easy campaign and would have shortened the Cold War by 40 years.

    Just remember that it took the combined force of USA, Britain and 50 other nations to prevent the Wehrmacht from knocking out the Red Army in 41/42.
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