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    Post Re: christianity and National-Socialism

    Ok, thanks for the lecture recommendation.

    But anyway, Nietzsche's writtings have nothing to do with Christianism...

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    Post Re: christianity and National-Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by marius
    Ok, thanks for the lecture recommendation.

    But anyway, Nietzsche's writtings have nothing to do with Christianism...
    I agree, Nietzsche was an enemy of Christian morality, since he viewed it as "slave-morality".

    An interesting point is that he was at the same time very positive about jews (I dont know if he was positive about jewish religion or only jewish people), and this had to be censored in the Third Reich.

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    Post Re: christianity and National-Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Oskorei
    I agree, Nietzsche was an enemy of Christian morality, since he viewed it as "slave-morality".

    An interesting point is that he was at the same time very positive about jews (I dont know if he was positive about jewish religion or only jewish people), and this had to be censored in the Third Reich.
    Yes, all this censorship and all these actions make me think at communism and the tough times we passed through. That's why I could never be a NS.

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    Post Re: christianity and National-Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by marius
    Yes, all this censorship and all these actions make me think at communism and the tough times we passed through. That's why I could never be a NS.
    I agree. Modern NS will have to mix with the positive parts of anarchism and liberalism; and show that it can deliver more, and better, individual and community freedom than other ideologies; in order to win popular support. Probably it wont be called NS either, because no time in history has a revolutionary movement with the same name taken power twice.

    Still it is important to remember that NS is the most demonized ideology in history by media and politicians, so much of what we see on television and so on about NS often simply is not true, or exaggerations. And the positive achievements of NS are never mentioned in media.
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    Post The NSLF on religion

    (from Siege! Vol. X, #7 -- July, 1981)



    GOD CAN STAY BUT THE CHURCH MUST GO

    I'll never be part of a war on something that is unseeable and unknowable. So this is not a war on God. George Lincoln Rockwell wrote often that the positions of the religious fanatics and of the fanatical atheists were equally ridiculous and impossible. ... Organized religion -- when speaking in terms of the White Race -- is a terrible and deadly enemy. We'll examine some of the reasons why later on but I am prompted now to print this piece which has been in preperation for many months because of such things as the "Moral Majority" craze and similar movements afoot in the conservative backlash camp. We cannot and must not fall victim to this, their hogwash, ourselves.

    OPIATE OF THE MASSES

    There can hardly be any question that the Church had been edged out -- or at least relegated to a back seat position -- for the title of "Opiate of the Masses" which organized religion held for many centuries. The new one of course is television. After all, you don't have to go to it on Sunday, the foul thing lives in your home with you. For entertainment purposes it had practically any preacher going bear by a mile. ... Everything the Church offered to the community, the television now offers. ... The nominally "White" actors on television are co-qual with the nominally "White" ministers in Church: both read straight from Jewish scripts.

    Not attacking inanimate objects -- neither buildings nor boxes, churches or TV sets -- but only the way they are handled and the effects they're having on the White Race, there is little doubt that television is the worst of the two. But the television is not an institution and can be very helpful, beneficial in fact, once all the networks are in National Socialist hands. What of the Church after a National Socialist revolution? Shall we put armbands on all priests or shall we put Stormtroopers in black robes? Shall we attempt to enlighten those now in power and pray that they will behave themselves and not act the role of subversives in our midst? Can we afford to allow an incredibly large and powerful organization -- a state with a state -- that currently is a major part of the Enemy's scheme, to go on functioning as before once our revolution has suceeded? More importantly, as we must decide now: it it at all necessary that we do so? The answer in each case is no.

    At present the Church presents the worst danger to the White Race ...

    CAN YOU DO VOODOO?

    The monumental cathedrals built by the genius of Western Man in the name of his religion compare identically to the mud and clay huts and carved, wooden idols that the primitive races erect to their peculiar religions. Same comparison as our ICBMs to their spears and blowguns. Same concepts of war and religious worship, just that the White Man does it better ...

    What makes Christianity seem to be "the" religion for mankind has nothing whatsoever to do with any of its promises or tenets ... It is because that was the religion that so happened to get foisted off onto the White Man and it was his genius and creativity that gave it strength,beauty, charity, forcefulness and whatever real value it may once have possessed. Anything of a positive nature to be found in the doctrine or workings of Christianity did not come from the sky or from the pages of a book but rather from the blood of the White Race which foolishly adopted it. ... The lowest level primitive in the jungles of Haiti is no more voodooistic thatn the highest bishop or cardinal in Europe or America. But the style and presentation are a hell of a lot different.

    DOG AND CAT HEAVEN

    Not only does Man fear death so much that he elevates himself up and out of the animal realm, but it appears to be a human trait and urge to imbue everything from house pets to stuffed dolls with identities and "souls". Could "Heaven" be complete minus the family dog or cat? ...

    The worst of this was scene at the time of the US Civil War. Tokens were circulating at the time depicting Blacks on their knees in chains under slogans like, "Am I Not A Man and a Brother?" The object was to make you look immoral if you retorted "Hell, no!" Mad-dog Christian fanatics were busy setting the stage for the worst bloodbath this country has yet experienced. ... From Harriet Beecher Stowe [wife of a Rabbi]'s "Uncle Tom's Cabin" to John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry, the issue was a religious one on the part of all the forces driving toward war and not one of property, politics or even the Constitution. Plain, old-fashioned fanatical equalitarians were responsible. The legend "In God We Trust" made its appearance on US coinage at the time of the Civil War.

    This opened the war for the first marriages between Blacks (who previously had been paired off and mated like any other animal) and marriages between Blacks and Whites (because, after all, if two people "love" each other and are good Christians than what the hell?). The purest, most healthy and beautfiul white child would be condemned as a "bastard" by these same mad-dog Christians while a real racial bastard product of mixed marriage would be blessed by them, depending solely on whether or not they had their marraige vows solemnized in the prescribed Christian manner. Today it is is still found that some ministers will refuse to marry two people if it is found that they have been divorced. But a racially mixed pair -- neither previously married --will be immediately joined in "holy matrimony."

    This is as bad if not worse than the criminal tampering and twisting that's done with the US Constitution, making anything and everything that so happens "to have been whelped on this real estate an automatic "citizen" -- therefore "equal" to all the rest and wide open to all the "civil rights" invented or created in his behalf. But to do away with the reality and the ultimate importance of RACE in preference to some magical-mystical harum-scarum is no more than insanity. And when applied in an organized, enforced manner, it becomes CRIMINAL insanity and MUST BE STOPPED.

    PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION

    In two World Wars, German soldiers went into battle bearing as part of their uniform the motto "Gott Mins Uns" ["God is with us."] A lot of good it did them. In every war between White Men of different European countries, the leaders and combatants of both sides prayed to the same God from the same Bible for blessings and victory. White Men have been killing each other for two thousand years in the name of the same religion.

    For hundreds of years the Church has been an extension of the State. ... Today the Church is indispensable to Big Brother. When the Church isn't acting as the echo-chamer of the Big Brother System, then it is acting as its avant garde. ... They all spout the same line, for the same reason, and prompted by the same people. That which the taste-makers/opinion-formers decide upon and declare, tehir servants then take this and poison the masses with it as current, established, accepted "gospel", which to rebel against or even question means personal ruin (if not eternal damnation).

    Separation of Church and State in reality means separate accounts in the same Jew-owned bank.

    ...INTEGRAL PART OF THE PROBLEM

    Ever notice the similarity between the tenets of Christianity and those of Marxism? They both negate race and private property; they indulge in brainwash, treason, subversion and have resorted to tortue and war to get where they want to go. Supposedly a movement for the poor, the hierarchy of both is filthy rich. The Pope and the International have a lot in common with regard to questionable national loyalties and I wonder how the Church would fair against a "House Un-American Activities Committee" style investigation. The bulk of the Communist world is non-White as is the majority of those professing the Christian religion. The liberals and Marxists would have you mix with Negroes on earth while the Christians would have mixed with them for the rest of eternity. (That would be my own idea of hell!)

    ... MAN CREATED GOD IN HIS OWN IMAGE

    Had it been the other way around then fakers like Billy Graham couldn't today state that perhaps God is Black and perhaps Jesus was an Ethiopian. They say that the universal belief in a God of some sort and in a Hereafter is "proof" that these things are valid and real. It is proof only of man's all-consuming fear of death and his unwillingness to accept his own mortality and his subjectivity to the law of nature just like any other animal.

    In man's quest for reason and order in the universe and in his desire to elevate himself from the rest of the animals roaming the planet, he invented God to answer all these needs. ... If we are to be original and authentic in what we believe, profess and practice, then we should return to the philosophy of our Northern European ancestors and hail Odin and his host of Norse Gods. It might be a flight of fancy but it would be at least natural, normal and healthy for our people to live by the religion which arose from its own blood at the dawn of time.

    But through various quirks of fate, through the machinations of schemers and manipulators, the White Race got stuck with a noxious and repulsive religion cooked up the twisted brains of a handful of Semites in the Middle East known as the Essenes. Over the centuries and through a dozen or more schisms it is known today as Christianity. It is alien to our blood, to our natural instincts, it is false and deadly and its organized bosy at work in the world today is dedicated to the destruction of the White Race. It must go.... The message of these SIEGE segments is not a negative one. It is however an important one: we cannot afford any longer the stupid mistake of mixing and confusing our goals and priorities like so many Right Wing types have done in the past. "For God, Race and Nation" is an example. We cannot allow any foreign, alien moral code or dogma to cramp our revolutionary style and, when the big clean-up begins, no criminal will enjoy any hands-off privilege just because he may be a master of hocus-pocus and mumbo-jumbo. Our march towards revolution will not be blocked by any rules of the Establishment and our revolutionary New Order will be absolutely free of any race whatsoever of the old.

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    Nazi Conceptions of Christianity

    I'm reading The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity 1919-1945, by Richard Steigmann-Gall, and I'm astounded at the popularity of National Socialism among religious people (particularly Protestants) and clergy -- especially Protestant clergy.

    Positive Christianity of the so-called German Christians tried to bridge the confessional gap between Catholic and Lutheran Germans by formulating a non-doctrinal, non-dogmatic Christianity situated above both confessions. However, even confessional Protestants were by and large well predisposed toward National Socialism during the Kampfzeit as well. Protestants of that era were nationalist and volkish to a remarkable degree.

    Question:

    What is happening today in Germany? It seems that both confessions are at the vanguard of multiculturalism, feminism, anti-racism, and of the pro-immigration lobby. Why? By taking these controversial positions both confessions alienate important segments of the German population. Additionally, if we only take immigration into account, most of the Third World migrants are non-Protestant and non-Christian (most are Muslim and hostile to Christianity); hence, the support that they lose among indigenous Germans is not recovered through their enthusiastic support of open-borders, etc.

    Can anyone explain the rationale or logic behind this leftist radicalization of Christian clergy in post-WW II Germany?

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    Its quite simple. If they were not liberal, they wouldn't be allowed to hold office. Germany is not a nation, it is an articifial state created by the victors of ww2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stig NHF
    Its quite simple. If they were not liberal, they wouldn't be allowed to hold office. Germany is not a nation, it is an articifial state created by the victors of ww2.
    I beg to differ. Germany is not arteficial. The "Federal Reupublic" is a "Golem".
    Germany is just buried under heaps of filth. Germany is silent. Germany lives in the hearts and minds of all true Germans. It lives in our culture, in the majesty of it's landscape and old architecture. And most of all, it lives in the pure and original language of ours. It lives in it's poetry and music. They may be able to desecrate and rape our Mother Germania, but never kille her. We will love and and worship her to our last breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friedrich braun
    Can anyone explain the rationale or logic behind this leftist radicalization of Christian clergy in post-WW II Germany?

    No, because it never took place. The protestant confessions have been freemasonic entities from the start, or since the time Luther was murdered. Please read everything you can find about freemasonry! Books from the 3. Reich. The Roman church and freemasonry also joined forces in 1928 when the jesuit Gruber met with high degree freemasons in Aachen. This was thoroughly documented by the 3. Reich (see Friedrich Hasselbacher: Die entlarvte Freimaurerei).

    What does this mean? That both confessions like freemasonry itself are jewish tools. They will at all times do what the jews order them to. During the halcyon days of NS they were ordered to accomodate NS outwardly while undermining it in secret. During the war their contribution was to foment inner discord and strife. Stauffenberg was a reactionary catholic and instrument of the church/freemasonry.

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    Thumbs Up Re: N-S and Christianity

    Positive Christianity working with Europeans of all positive belief systems against hostile hordes is very Crusade like and highly honorable.

    Hitler meeting with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin, 1935

    On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany" and added with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."









    Orsenigo enjoys the luxurious transport afforded to friends of Germanics.







    Hitler (center) at Franken war monument,



    Greeting Bishop Müller,



    Cardinal Michael Faulhaber,



    Priests salute at a Catholic rally in the Berlin-Neukolln stadium in August 1933.



    Hitler and Vatican ambassador,




    Goebbels and others with Bishops,



    Wehrmacht mementos at a crucifix (note swastikas)../.., Uniformed SA men at church service.




    The Holy Grail of NS-Christianity pics,




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