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    "White Power,White Pride" - How accurate is this book?

    I am curious about the white separatist/racialist movement in the US. So I got "White Power, White Pride! The white separatist movement in the United States" By Betty A. Dobratz and Stephenie L. Shanks-Meile. I am only 60 pages into it and it feels unbiased and well researched. I dont care about the geneology of the authors. I would like to know what people think of the book.

    I have strong personal feelings about the white separatist movement but want to give it a fair reading. Most books seem to just demonize it and that does not help me understand this perspective. Are there other books that you would recomend?

    Thank you for your help.

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    Re: How acurate is this book? "White Power,White Pride."

    I don't know any books, but why don't you seek these people out personally, and get to know what makes them tick as a real human being, rather than swallow what some author has pigeon-holed them as?
    Most people who've been able to get a book published, and present their opinion in such a style as for you to dub 'scholarly', have progressed through some sort of academic system in which expressions of such sentiments as you are investigating are routinely weeded out and suppressed.
    I actually prefer books from the Nineteenth Century for this reason.

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    Re: How acurate is this book? "White Power,White Pride."

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    I don't know any books, but why don't you seek these people out personally, and get to know what makes them tick as a real human being, rather than swallow what some author has pigeon-holed them as?
    That is part of why I joined this forum. To have interactions with a variety of differnt people and let them say what they think.My ineractions with self discribed racialists have mostly been at KKK or neoNS rallies where I was on the other side of the chain link fence. My views on race and valueing different cultures have not changed and I want to have not changed. So in part to help keep conversation polite and active I have started researching the views and history of the movement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    Most people who've been able to get a book published, and present their opinion in such a style as for you to dub 'scholarly', have progressed through some sort of academic system in which expressions of such sentiments as you are investigating are routinely weeded out and suppressed.
    I actually prefer books from the Nineteenth Century for this reason.
    That is why I like this book. The authors are careful to not use overt or covert value judgements that I have noticed.I do not have time to read that much as I take care of my almost three year old daughter. The pre 1900 books that I have are all litrature.

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    Re: How acurate is this book? "White Power,White Pride."

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    I don't know any books, but why don't you seek these people out personally, and get to know what makes them tick as a real human being, rather than swallow what some author has pigeon-holed them as?
    That is part of why I joined this forum. To have interactions with a variety of differnt people and let them say what they think.My ineractions with self discribed racialists have mostly been at KKK or neoNS rallies where I was on the other side of the chain link fence. My views on race and valueing different cultures have not changed and I want to have not changed. So in part to help keep conversation polite and active I have started researching the views and history of the movement. For me it helps to have some information of my own when talking to others who I know I disagree with on some major points.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    Most people who've been able to get a book published, and present their opinion in such a style as for you to dub 'scholarly', have progressed through some sort of academic system in which expressions of such sentiments as you are investigating are routinely weeded out and suppressed.
    I actually prefer books from the Nineteenth Century for this reason.
    That is why I like this book. The authors are careful to not use overt or covert value judgements that I have noticed.I do not have time to read that much as I take care of my almost three year old daughter. The pre 1900 books that I have are all litrature. I am intersrted in how the populism of the turn of the century influnced people like Henry Ford and also how the current movement grew.

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    Re: How acurate is this book? "White Power,White Pride."

    Quote Originally Posted by ladybright View Post
    That is part of why I joined this forum. To have interactions with a variety of differnt people and let them say what they think.My ineractions with self discribed racialists
    That's a problematic thing, though. Racialism doesn't really get my heart beating with enthusiasm - I just want to ensure my people survives this transitional postindustrial postimperial period of disruption intact, and not utterly transformed into something my great grandparents wouldn't recognise, or even accept as their own. If you're looking for people who deliberately use emotive words, whose meaning has largely been dictated by our foes, then you'll find a rather different sort.
    have mostly been at KKK or neoNS rallies
    That's exactly the sort of environment where you'll find a shriller, less personable type!
    where I was on the other side of the chain link fence. My views on race and valueing different cultures have not changed and I want to have not changed.
    So you value your own, sort of 'our', culture? Don't you think it deserves a chance to shape and demonstrate itself in a homogenous environment, where it doesn't have to kowtow to minority sentiment, and doesn't have to forever hold its tongue and look over its shoulder?
    The pre 1900 books that I have are all litrature.
    Actually, glancing at my shelves, mine are significantly older than 1800, being largely translations of historical chronicles and legends from the Classical Period and early Mediaeval Era!

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    Re: How acurate is this book? "White Power,White Pride."

    I had been hoping that someone here had read the book and wanted to share opinions of it. I found it well written but am never going to go through the 50 pages of notes and bibliography at the end.
    That's a problematic thing, though. Racialism doesn't really get my heart beating with enthusiasm - I just want to ensure my people survives this transitional postindustrial postimperial period of disruption intact, and not utterly transformed into something my great grandparents wouldn't recognise, or even accept as their own.
    I am interseted in preserving my heritage in a way that my grandparents would aprove of. But I have more than one culture in my family so I cannot raise my children as just swedish/irish (me) or german/ portugese (husband).I do not think of myself as racist or racialist or sepratist.

    So you value your own, sort of 'our', culture? Don't you think it deserves a chance to shape and demonstrate itself in a homogenous environment, where it doesn't have to kowtow to minority sentiment, and doesn't have to forever hold its tongue and look over its shoulder?
    I do not think we need to be in a homogenous socciety to value our culture.(Verry pollyanna of me I know) It would be easier but America has always been fairly diverse. I agree that it is unfair for the majority to kowtow to a minority. I think people should treat others fairly in all dealings and respectfully when possible.

    Actually, glancing at my shelves, mine are significantly older than 1800, being largely translations of historical chronicles and legends from the Classical Period and early Mediaeval Era!
    I thought you were talking about printing date. Several of my book cases look like that. But then there are the hoards of fantasy, cookbooks, herbalism, feminist therory, and artbooks(Vargas, Klimt, Olivia, Brom, Boulett, Da Vinci, Rodin, Royo,Rockwell)and Carpe Noctem.

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