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    Question The Racio-Biological Effects of War

    Many observers have remarked how wars kill some of the bravest and most able young men of a nation. The wimps who stay home, or who were less aggressive in battle, were more likely to live.

    Have racialists ever seriously considered the effects of this on a race? Could e.g. the slow recovery of Europe after WW2 be blamed not just on the effects of the Marshall Plan and devastated infrastructure, but also on the quality of the survivors?

    Also, how do war casualties relate to the eventual degeneracy of most big nations/empires, as described by Spengler and others?
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    Post Re: Effects of war

    I don't think war necessarily kills off the strong and leaves the weak in surival. My views on war are similar to Hegel's.

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    Post Re: Effects of war

    Yeah, my boyfriend & I were just laughing about this the other day..when I was looking through some Third Reich books. I was amused how Hitler & alot of his henchmen we rather squat & fat arsed (probably the uniforms though)...hehe..but I remarked that the Waffen infantry men were much better specimens (well naturally...)....."yes but of course...send all the good ones off to die..while the fat-arses stay at home"..(quote)

    Goering in his heyday years of WW1....

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    Post Re: Effects of war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    Have racialists ever seriously considered the effects of this on a race?
    As Marinetti wrote; "we will glorify war - the world's only hygiene".

    I guess many of the best soldiers in WW1 survived, but WW2 was different than other wars.

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    Post Re: Effects of war

    World War I was particularly ghastly. Entire classes from some of the best English schools were lost...ie Rudyard Kipling's son...two of T.E. Lawrences brothers, etc. America lost approximately one hundred thousand dead in only a few months.
    Turman found a copy of The Graduate, and thought highly enough of the story that he made a movie he considered to be 90-percent faithful to the book.

    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/graduate/

    http://www.norcalmovies.com/TheGraduate/tg11.jpg

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    Post Re: Effects of war

    Quote Originally Posted by Julius
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    As Marinetti wrote; "we will glorify war - the world's only hygiene".
    Probally the only intelligent thing Marinetti ever said. For the most part, I have little respect for his pathetic futurism and frankly the ideology has become even more perverted today!

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    Post Flabby Bodies - and Minds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    Many observers have remarked how wars kill some of the bravest and most able young men of a nation. The wimps who stay home, or who were less aggressive in battle, were more likely to live.

    Have racialists ever seriously considered the effects of this on a race? Could e.g. the slow recovery of Europe after WW2 be blamed not just on the effects of the Marshall Plan and devastated infrastructure, but also on the quality of the survivors?

    Also, how do war casualties relate to the eventual degeneracy of most big nations/empires, as described by Spengler and others?
    Hitler in his posthumously published 'Second Book' adheres to this theory when countries are continually at war to the point of exhaustion.
    There must be replacement.
    Ideally there should be 'war cycles and peace cycles'.

    I am not sure that I agree that Europe made a 'slow recovery' after WWII.
    Of course, the thrust of Western policy was to demilitarise the Germans in a total sense, and then breed a love in them for peace and luxury rather than for war and hardship.
    Unfortunately for the Americans, the Germans excelled in both things, creating a booming economy in Western Germany, and a recent refusal to back the war against Iraq!

    I think you have to look at the general quality in any given nation.
    Even though the cream of German youth fell in the war against the forces of Capitalism and Communism, the general level of the German population is still excellent in comparison with other races.

    War goes on at many levels - from the physical to the mental.
    That Hitler was not as physically imposing as Otto Skorzeny, for example, hardly reflects on the ethos of National Socialism.
    Hitler was a man of great Will and oratorical gifts - perfectly suited as a Leader for that period.
    He had aquited himself well in the trenches and so had the respect of Germany's fighters, but he had also honed his political gifts in the public struggle of ideas.

    When this latter struggle is given up, does that produce a race of flabby thinkers? It does; so just as Aryan youth is spoiled by passivity, junk food and junk culture, so too is Aryan thought blunted by a lack of intellectual struggle.
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    Post The problem with the Iraq war

    The problem with this war in Iraq is that it's being done in bad faith. A war in good faith of is carried according to a clearly-delineating program, with an articulated motive, strategy, and goals.

    Instead of doing this, it is being carried out for reasons that don't stand up to criticism and reason - and thus become items of dogma and emotion. Clearly the USA is not in Iraq to help them or install democracy. Saddam's Bathist Iraq, in the context of the Middle East, was quite progressive and even democratic; any government installed by the USA will be a Quisling military dictatorship.

    It's not to aide the war on terror for any clear tactical reason. Iraq was quite distant from fringe groups like Al Qaeda's. In fact, Saddam persecuted the radical Shiite Kurds, and suppoted a moderate, secularized version of Islam.

    Yet no one mentions Saudi Arabia, which funds Wahabi (extreme radical Islam) schools around the Third World - which does tie directly to terrorist activity.

    This creates cognitive dissonance in people - whereas if Bush said we are going to Iraq to kick their butts because we need a stronghold in the Middle East, or even Oil - then that would make sense. War is not "peace keeping" or "humanitarian aide" or "bringing democracy" - it's about conquest, degradation, arson and pillage. To fight a war of conquest imaging oneself as an avenging hero is to delude oneself.

    Yet we don't even declare war. We haven't done so since WW2. Making one's intentions explicit is to be responsible for one's actions.

    This is a big trend in Western culture now in general. People form romantic couples but don't want to "commit" to a marriage. People work for companies, but it's now a relationship of convenience that is dissolved at the drop of a hat. Nothing endures.

    In American youth culture, sarcasm is the rule. People don't want to commit to the words they speak - and thus words lose their meaning.

    Consensus and forethought - setting out a plan, agreeing on it, and carrying it out - is one of the hallmarks of civilization. Yet this is dissolving before our eyes, with nothing solid to replace it.
    "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - F. Nietzsche

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    Post Re: The problem with the Iraq war

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    The problem with this war in Iraq is that it's being done in bad faith. A war in good faith of is carried according to a clearly-delineating program, with an articulated motive, strategy, and goals.

    Instead of doing this, it is being carried out for reasons that don't stand up to criticism and reason - and thus become items of dogma and emotion.
    This appears to be quite deliberate, and is likely rooted in the complete distrust that the leadership has towards the public. They basically view the average citizen as a foolish child who can't be trusted to make the right decision if supplied with all the facts. So instead, the public are supplied with propaganda, while the supposedly "best and brightest" make the real decisions behind closed doors. This pattern first emerged clearly during the Vietnam war, and seems to have re-emerged today.

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    Post Re: The problem with the Iraq war

    I notice a big problem in American culture in general. No one knows what they are doing or why - and lots of the younger generation thinks to even ask such a question is silly.

    To think or speak about the future is silly - it's a big "que sera, sera" attitude.

    Of course, I doubt the people in the highest echelons of power have this attitude. This can't last for long.
    "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - F. Nietzsche

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