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    The Temple of the Black Sun



    On August 16th, my Comrade Thulean Imperial Inquisitor posted the thread A (spiritual) Knight Order in the modern world (?), in which he talked about the Templars, the "Ordo Novi Templi" of Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels, and if such a Knight Order could be founded in today's modern world.

    Discussion soon focused on details about how such an Order might work, and got a lot of good reputation, and we eventually came to the conclusion that (at least for the moment) such an organisation would function as a kind of discussion group (I'd like to especially thank my comrades Moody Lawless and Fenris, as well as Taras Bulba for ideas and opinions).

    This thread will be the official discussion platform for everything related to this project. The following manifesto was created in cooperation with Moody Lawless and Thulean Imperial Inquisitor, whom I owe deepest thanks. It may be edited and improved in the future however.

    The Manifesto of the Temple of the Black Sun

    We, the Templars of the Black Sun, see it as our mission and holy duty to serve our beloved home Europa, that has been attacked, dishonoured, raped and pillaged for hundreds of years. It is our believe that it can and will rise up to its old glory once again, and take it's place as the cradle of culture and wisdom again.

    We therefore consider the following points as essential for our cause:
    • The eternal sophy of the Aryan people, who descended from Hyperborea millenia ago, is our highest law. It's study is one of the most important activities of our order. We research ancient indo-aryan scriptures, as well as the modern writings of Julius Evola, Miguel Serrano, Savitri Devi, etc..
    • Just as important as spiritual awareness, is physical awareness, or, to be more exact, racial awareness. It is the duty of every Knight, and every intelligent Aryan, to stay true to one's own holy blood and not intermix with other inferior beings. Every member of the Order must be of pure european heritage.
    • We believe that the National-Socialist movement of 20th century's Germany, an it's origins in various indo-european schools of wisdom, was expression of the true glorious aryan way of life, more than just mere politics, but an all-encompassing way of life for the wise and true Aryan of the modern world.
    • We believe in the occult meaning of the Black Sun and it's importance to Nazi Occultism, the ideas of the Thule and Vril Society, and the Order of the Black Sun. These were the aryosophic teachings of the 20th century, and are highly honoured among the members of our order.
    • We believe that judaism in every form (namely Zionism, Plutocracy, Modern Democracy, Materialism, Communism, Egalitarianism, etc.) is the eternal enemy of everything we see as true and rightful, as the antithesis of aryan honour, justice and beauty. It is the moral degeneration that we seek to fight wherever it emerges.
    • We know that Heinrich Himmler's SS was not a group of bloodthirsty criminals, as the jewish media claims today, but a chivalric order of brave knights in the service of their great Führer Adolf Hitler, of the mighty Aryan Imperium itself. The Order of the Templars of the Black Sun is modelled on the SS.
    • The Order of the Templars of the Black Sun does not support Hooligan and (destructive) Skinhead activity. Instead, it is an organization supporting intellectual and philosophical discussion, primarily concerned with the topics culture & history, spirituality & religion, science & politics. The wise Aryan prefers the joys of higher arts, as for example music or literature over mindless destruction or the use of alcohol and narcotics.
    • The Order does not limit itself to a certain religion or spirituality. Instead, it encourages a healthy aryan Weltanschauung, influenced by different indo-european ways schools of thought, for example Hinduism, Asatru, European Christianity, etc..
    • The structure of the Order of the Templars of the the Black Sun is fundamentally aristocractic. The ruling class will consist of members of the higher initiatory ranks, while new members will have to earn their reputation by showing their loyality and their will to work for our common goal.
    I have added the Manifesto as PDF document to this post.


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    Re: The Temple of the Black Sun

    Thus an order has been spoken into existence...

    Now, how to proceed?

    It is my suggestion that such an order must break out of cyberspace at the earliest opportunity. For a person to consider themselves a pledge to such a cause, participation in a web thread is not enough. How far it will go in the real world depends mostly on how far its prospects will go to demonstrate their resolve to the cause.

    And what for a demonstration?

    A troth or deed which takes a minimum of real world initiative is necessary.
    For instance, establishing a post circle. In other words, placing enough confidence in at least one other prospect to engage them in written correspondence. This doesn't have to betray your identity. A postcard with a handwritten statement of your purpose may suffice. This would require a trusted pledge/prospect to be appointed secretary of the order and establish a postal address (a post office shelf offers some degree of secrecy).

    Also perhaps, a literary circle where every prospect is expected to acquire, read and consider a given text. Then, in order to demonstrate one's sincerity, a person could show that they have taken the minimal initiative to devote themselves to this cause. Suggested texts: Hávamál and Völuspá in respected translation to one's native tongue alongside their original language. The Thule Society was first launched by a German translator who sought to make such Icelandic texts available to fellow Germans, so these rather short texts are perfect, and they are available in most every European language. Another thread can be formed here in the future for detailed discussion of these scriptures thereby demonstrating that the commitment has been made.

    If we can soon count on a number of participants, we might then assign more serious and personal troths, such as ritual or seiđr designed to seek guidance for the course of the order, results being secretly reported between members.

    Such very simple initiatory deeds would be required of each pledge else a person could never be depended on for the greater work in our future, however unknown that may be at the moment.

    Let us begin the seeding of a revolution...

    Ever Toward Thule!

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    Re: The Temple of the Black Sun

    It is my suggestion that such an order must break out of cyberspace at the earliest opportunity. For a person to consider themselves a pledge to such a cause, participation in a web thread is not enough. How far it will go in the real world depends mostly on how far its prospects will go to demonstrate their resolve to the cause.
    Absolutely! We do not need any stupid kids who pretend to be "cool" and want to join some super secret "nazi club", and not do anything. This is serious, I want serious members, who are willing to participate.

    Also perhaps, a literary circle where every prospect is expected to acquire, read and consider a given text.
    I will create a list of books the members of the Order will have to read to gain basic knowledge of what we are working with. I will add e-books whereever possible.

    Then, in order to demonstrate one's sincerity, a person could show that they have taken the minimal initiative to devote themselves to this cause. Suggested texts: Hávamál and Völuspá in respected translation to one's native tongue alongside their original language. The Thule Society was first launched by a German translator who sought to make such Icelandic texts available to fellow Germans, so these rather short texts are perfect, and they are available in most every European language. Another thread can be formed here in the future for detailed discussion of these scriptures thereby demonstrating that the commitment has been made.
    I like this idea. A letter could be signed with a bind-rune consisting of the members initials.

    If we can soon count on a number of participants, we might then assign more serious and personal troths, such as ritual or seiđr designed to seek guidance for the course of the order, results being secretly reported between members.
    I have some thoughts on this, but I will wait with that until we have a sufficient number of members to continue to the next level.

    Such very simple initiatory deeds would be required of each pledge else a person could never be depended on for the greater work in our future, however unknown that may be at the moment.
    I agree.

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    Re: The Temple of the Black Sun

    These are excellent ideas.

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    Re: The Temple of the Black Sun

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    These are excellent ideas.
    Thank you. I was hoping to attract your interest, as I find your theories about the Black Sun fascinating. What is your opinion on the other points of the Manifesto?

    I will create a list of books the members of the Order will have to read to gain basic knowledge of what we are working with. I will add e-books whereever possible.
    I am right now creating a list of those books, and would be very glad if members could give me suggestions of what it should include.

    Another issue I'd like to talk about is naming the ranks of members. I think that all new members will start out as "neophytes", from where they can advance in ranks.

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    Re: The Temple of the Black Sun

    Quote Originally Posted by Hrafn View Post
    Thank you. I was hoping to attract your interest, as I find your theories about the Black Sun fascinating. What is your opinion on the other points of the Manifesto?



    I am right now creating a list of those books, and would be very glad if members could give me suggestions of what it should include.

    Another issue I'd like to talk about is naming the ranks of members. I think that all new members will start out as "neophytes", from where they can advance in ranks.
    Hrafn, we are all different people who have come to a common place from different directions. I came to the concept of the Black Sun through exploring "new" energy and the ideas of Nazi scientists. This means many of you guys know a great deal more about other aspects/history of the BS than I do. So, I have a lot of work to do. As I read the Manifesto, I thought about beginning a study campaign to bring myself up to speed. Fortunately this organization will bring together all the help and reading lists I need. From my own selfish persepective, how lucky can I get?

    The "neophyte" status for beginners is something to think about. One aspect of the study of the Black Sun is alchemical. This doesn't change if you are studying energy or self improvement or just history. Changing one's self through this study is also an alchemical thing. Perhaps this is how Himmler intended to prepare his people for the coming of the Superman. So, using a heirarchy of alchemical status seems right. I don't know what those names are between neophyte and whatever a master alchemist is called, though.

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    Vedr: The Temple of the Black Sun

    Greetings

    Through the Thule-yahoogroup I was made aware of this thread and will here give a few comments on the ideas presented so far.

    First let me say that I really support the idea of a Indo-aryan order based on the principles that have been described here.

    I have for a long time been studying the aryo-occult scriptures of List, Liebenfels, Serrano, Savitri, Evola etc.

    A basic question that I have not seen answered anywhere is: If a order arises who should be the ones able to initiate neophytes? Who has the initiatoric and esoteric insight to take this order beyond a mere study-group?

    I would strongly urge anyone seriously interested in forming such an order to look at similar attempts such as White Order of Thule and Guild of The Grail. Both with regards to initiatoric degrees, reading-lists and ethos.

    Guild of the Grail (GG) was a "traditionalist", solar, chivalric, aryo-esoteric order and based on the same texts, traditions, authors and ideas - and I would even call it mandatory reading for everyone who wants to form such an order. I will try to upload the material I have on the order later today - but till then you can have a glimpse at the file-section of the Evola-yahoogroup. We should / could use both their reading-list and their order-degree system as basis.

    There is no reason to spend a lot of time on resolving issues and making reading-lists if 90% of the work has already been done.

    With regards to ariosophy I have a large archive of authors such as List, Lanz and Sebottendorf and I even have a publishing company at hand ready to release "Black-sun" related publications in English for scholars and order-members alike. We need volunteers so any skilled translators (german->english [List, Lanz etc], spanish->english [Serrano] and italian->english [Evola]), editors, proofreaders and layouters - do not hesitate to contact me off-board. We also need support in terms of funding for publishing the books and booklets and for maintaining a website.

    Best regards, Frawan

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    Re: Vedr: The Temple of the Black Sun

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    Hrafn, we are all different people who have come to a common place from different directions. I came to the concept of the Black Sun through exploring "new" energy and the ideas of Nazi scientists. This means many of you guys know a great deal more about other aspects/history of the BS than I do. So, I have a lot of work to do. As I read the Manifesto, I thought about beginning a study campaign to bring myself up to speed. Fortunately this organization will bring together all the help and reading lists I need. From my own selfish persepective, how lucky can I get?
    A lot of information WILL be collected, feel free to join us in our discussions!

    The "neophyte" status for beginners is something to think about. One aspect of the study of the Black Sun is alchemical. This doesn't change if you are studying energy or self improvement or just history. Changing one's self through this study is also an alchemical thing. Perhaps this is how Himmler intended to prepare his people for the coming of the Superman. So, using a heirarchy of alchemical status seems right. I don't know what those names are between neophyte and whatever a master alchemist is called, though.
    Yes, the process of changing oneself is maybe one of the most important aspects of Alchemy. I am disgusted by people who just want to dabble with alchemical knowledge to create gold and get rich. It is possible, and useful, but the Aryan mind does not limit itself to the acquisition of money and wealth like the jewish mind does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frawan View Post
    Greetings

    Through the Thule-yahoogroup I was made aware of this thread and will here give a few comments on the ideas presented so far.

    First let me say that I really support the idea of a Indo-aryan order based on the principles that have been described here.
    Thank you very much!

    I have for a long time been studying the aryo-occult scriptures of List, Liebenfels, Serrano, Savitri, Evola etc.

    A basic question that I have not seen answered anywhere is: If a order arises who should be the ones able to initiate neophytes? Who has the initiatoric and esoteric insight to take this order beyond a mere study-group?
    This is a very interesting and important question Frawan. One of the main reasons I wish to keep this more on the lines of a study group for the moment is the fact that the members need to establish a base of knowledge that will be taught to neophytes. Depending on communication, this process should take about a few weeks, and it will pay off.

    These however are just my personal ideas, Thulean Imperial Inquisitor, founder and leader of the order, will choose what is best for the order.

    I would strongly urge anyone seriously interested in forming such an order to look at similar attempts such as White Order of Thule and Guild of The Grail. Both with regards to initiatoric degrees, reading-lists and ethos.

    Guild of the Grail (GG) was a "traditionalist", solar, chivalric, aryo-esoteric order and based on the same texts, traditions, authors and ideas - and I would even call it mandatory reading for everyone who wants to form such an order. I will try to upload the material I have on the order later today - but till then you can have a glimpse at the file-section of the Evola-yahoogroup. We should / could use both their reading-list and their order-degree system as basis.

    There is no reason to spend a lot of time on resolving issues and making reading-lists if 90% of the work has already been done.
    I will study the works of these orders, thank you.

    With regards to ariosophy I have a large archive of authors such as List, Lanz and Sebottendorf and I even have a publishing company at hand ready to release "Black-sun" related publications in English for scholars and order-members alike. We need volunteers so any skilled translators (german->english[List, Lanz etc], spanish->english [Serrano] and italian->english [Evola]), editors, proofreaders and layouters - do not hesitate to contact me off-board. We also need support in terms of funding for publishing the books and booklets and for maintaining a website.
    Translations would be very useful. I myself could do translations from German to English.

    Europe prevails!

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    Vedr: The Temple of the Black Sun

    Greetings

    I have now uploaded the entire old Guild of the Grail website and reading list. Please take some time to read the files. I consider it essential reading. For more information with regards to the order feel free to ask me - or write to me off-board.

    Regards, Frawan
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    Re: Vedr: The Temple of the Black Sun

    Quote Originally Posted by Frawan View Post
    Greetings

    I have now uploaded the entire old Guild of the Grail website and reading list. Please take some time to read the files. I consider it essential reading. For more information with regards to the order feel free to ask me - or write to me off-board.

    Regards, Frawan
    Thanks very much for the information.

    Regarding books, does anyone want a copy of Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke uploaded? I'm able to obtain an online database copy, but it would require me copying each page into word, which may be a waste of time. If anyone considers it a good source of information, please contact and I will set about doing it.

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