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    Y Haplogroups in Sicilian Ancestry

    http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/62802/sicily.pdf

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    This study reports the first data on Y-chromosome-specific short tandem repeat (STR) haplotype frequencies, in the population of the island of Sicily (Italy), based on the combination of alleles at the following 10 Y-chromosome loci DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392, DYS393, DYS437, DYS438, and DYS439. In a total of 117 males, 108 unique haplotypes were observed, with 99 of them being singletons. The 10 locus haplotypes generated a diversity value of 0.9987 and discriminatory power (DP) of 92.30%. The data on the seven of the 10 polymorphisms (DYS19; DYS389I;DYS389II; DYS390; DYS391; DYS392 and DYS393) that have been most studied in worldwide populations were compared with similar data from neighboring Mediterranean populations in order to address the question of shared ancestry, gene flow and population affinities. Overall, results indicate Sicily is closest genetically to the mainland Italian population but also with evidence of a significant African component in the male gene pool. These findings are consistent with those obtained from other genetic markers (autosomal and mitochondrial DNA as well as the classical blood groups) and also with the recorded settlement history (either peaceful or due to invasion) of the island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetinari
    http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/62802/sicily.pdf

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    This study reports the first data on Y-chromosome-specific short tandem repeat (STR) haplotype frequencies, in the population of the island of Sicily (Italy), based on the combination of alleles at the following 10 Y-chromosome loci DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392, DYS393, DYS437, DYS438, and DYS439. In a total of 117 males, 108 unique haplotypes were observed, with 99 of them being singletons. The 10 locus haplotypes generated a diversity value of 0.9987 and discriminatory power (DP) of 92.30%. The data on the seven of the 10 polymorphisms (DYS19; DYS389I;DYS389II; DYS390; DYS391; DYS392 and DYS393) that have been most studied in worldwide populations were compared with similar data from neighboring Mediterranean populations in order to address the question of shared ancestry, gene flow and population affinities. Overall, results indicate Sicily is closest genetically to the mainland Italian population but also with evidence of a significant African component in the male gene pool. These findings are consistent with those obtained from other genetic markers (autosomal and mitochondrial DNA as well as the classical blood groups) and also with the recorded settlement history (either peaceful or due to invasion) of the island.

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    Post Re: Sicilian ancestry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vetinari
    http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/62802/sicily.pdf

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    This study reports the first data on Y-chromosome-specific short tandem repeat (STR) haplotype frequencies, in the population of the island of Sicily (Italy), based on the combination of alleles at the following 10 Y-chromosome loci DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392, DYS393, DYS437, DYS438, and DYS439. In a total of 117 males, 108 unique haplotypes were observed, with 99 of them being singletons. The 10 locus haplotypes generated a diversity value of 0.9987 and discriminatory power (DP) of 92.30%. The data on the seven of the 10 polymorphisms (DYS19; DYS389I;DYS389II; DYS390; DYS391; DYS392 and DYS393) that have been most studied in worldwide populations were compared with similar data from neighboring Mediterranean populations in order to address the question of shared ancestry, gene flow and population affinities. Overall, results indicate Sicily is closest genetically to the mainland Italian population but also with evidence of a significant African component in the male gene pool. These findings are consistent with those obtained from other genetic markers (autosomal and mitochondrial DNA as well as the classical blood groups) and also with the recorded settlement history (either peaceful or due to invasion) of the island.
    I am still in disbelief on that one. There is so many studies on Sicilians having black ancestary it is not even funny. I have seen websites with the opinion of yes, no, or maybe. It still has not been racially proven, which everyone knows they just want to create more conflict.

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    Post Re: Sicilian ancestry

    Whole blood samples were collected from 117 randomly selected and unrelated healthy males from several areas of Sicily (Italy). All were born in Sicily and also both parents were born and living in Sicily. DNA was extracted from blood using the standard phenol–chloroform procedure [14].

    Sicily and North West Africa share five of the seven-locus haplotypes (data not shown) including one that is relatively common in Sicily (13-14-30-24-9-11-13).

    Furthermore, these five haplotypes are not present in any other Italian population [20–23]. The shared five haplotypes represent 5% of the total Sicilian haplotypes. These African haplotypes most probably were introduced into Sicily sometime between the 7th and 8th century, during the island’s domination by the Arab Empire. An African contribution to the Sicilian gene pool gains support from several lines of evidence. The problem mostly concerns the duration and the intensity of this introgression. Bernstein [29], Ragusa [30], Barrai [31] started from a different point of view and based themselves on the results achieved, they agreed upon the fact that there has been a low but significant, level of admixture with Africa. Using mtDNA haplotype frequency, Semino et al. [32] estimated that African gene flow in to Sicily ranged between 10 and 34%.

    The median joining network used to arrange the Sicilian haplotypes into a phylogeny shows that there are two main clusters. The sharing of haplotypes between North West African and Sicilian populations confirms the contribution from the former population to the island during the Islamic expansion into the Mediterranean basin.

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    Post Re: Sicilian ancestry

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    Whole blood samples were collected from 117 randomly selected and unrelated healthy males from several areas of Sicily (Italy). All were born in Sicily and also both parents were born and living in Sicily. DNA was extracted from blood using the standard phenol–chloroform procedure [14].

    Sicily and North West Africa share five of the seven-locus haplotypes (data not shown) including one that is relatively common in Sicily (13-14-30-24-9-11-13).

    Furthermore, these five haplotypes are not present in any other Italian population [20–23]. The shared five haplotypes represent 5% of the total Sicilian haplotypes. These African haplotypes most probably were introduced into Sicily sometime between the 7th and 8th century, during the island’s domination by the Arab Empire. An African contribution to the Sicilian gene pool gains support from several lines of evidence. The problem mostly concerns the duration and the intensity of this introgression. Bernstein [29], Ragusa [30], Barrai [31] started from a different point of view and based themselves on the results achieved, they agreed upon the fact that there has been a low but significant, level of admixture with Africa. Using mtDNA haplotype frequency, Semino et al. [32] estimated that African gene flow in to Sicily ranged between 10 and 34%.

    The median joining network used to arrange the Sicilian haplotypes into a phylogeny shows that there are two main clusters. The sharing of haplotypes between North West African and Sicilian populations confirms the contribution from the former population to the island during the Islamic expansion into the Mediterranean basin.
    arent there studies showing this version and the opposite ? why is Sicily the topic constantly? its probably more European than most large cities.. dont u think ? I mean go to London or even worse.. NY...
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    Post Re: Sicilian ancestry

    We know really little about what was the ethnicity of the Sicilian populations that lived there before the Greek and Romans arrived, then it's possible they shared a part of their genetical heritage with the sub-saharian populations (note: i eman the "Original" subsaharian poulations not those mixed races that are living in the Maghreb region nowadays).
    But i still find quite suspicious that all those studies always find a moorish influence and they don't find any trace of the norman domination or else...

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: Sicilian ancestry

    Quote Originally Posted by goidelicwarrior
    arent there studies showing this version and the opposite ? why is Sicily the topic constantly.. its probably more European than most larte cities.. dont u think ? I mean go to Londonor even worse.. NY...
    I'm just posting relevant excerpts, I would do the same for any other study. I didn't start this thread anyway.

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    Post Re: Sicilian ancestry

    Quote Originally Posted by Gesta Bellica
    We know really little about what was the ethnicity of the Sicilian populations that lived there before the Greek and Romans arrived, then it's possible they shared a part of their genetical heritage with the sub-saharian populations (note: i eman the "Original" subsaharian poulations not those mixed races that are living in the Maghreb region nowadays).
    But i still find quite suspicious that all those studies always find a moorish influence and they don't find any trace of the norman domination or else...
    The Maghreb is not sub-Saharan. That would refer to the other side of the Sahara, not to the Mediterranean Africans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    The Maghreb is not sub-Saharan. That would refer to the other side of the Sahara, not to the Mediterranean Africans.
    i know, but i meant another thing..
    The Actual Maghreb populationd have significant negroid admistures (U can find white people mised with almost pure black there) so if the old Moors were like them all those supposed common genes would be explicable.
    But the medieval Moors were a totally different population.

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: Sicilian ancestry

    Quote Originally Posted by MVSSOLINI MIT VNS
    I am still in disbelief on that one. There is so many studies on Sicilians having black ancestary it is not even funny. I have seen websites with the opinion of yes, no, or maybe. It still has not been racially proven, which everyone knows they just want to create more conflict.
    Actually, the research says that Sicilians have north African ancestry, not sub-saharan African ancestors. Therefore, the paper was not saying that Sicilians were related to sub-saharan blacks but to groups such as the Berbers and Arabs.

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