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    Post Extreme Religious Tolerance Today

    Of course today there are still many religious extremists. Islam has quite a few of them. The US (bible-belt) has quite a few of them. But one thing we seem to have adopted today is an extreme tolerance for all religions. 'you may not agree with Islamic beliefs but accept them with open arms anyways' and other such things. This of course is linked to racial tolerance and acceptance, but is in a way different. The question is, why should I tolerate Islam? Why should I tolerate Christianity (no this is not a christian bashing thread...hold yer horses). Why should I "love" a member of another religion as I would love a kinsman? I don't expect to be tolerated by a person of another religion, and so would expect the same right in return. In a game of hockey do you let your opponent beat you? Do you allow your opponent a shot at the net and the opporunity to win the game? I believe its the same thing. We are opposite "teams", we are enemies. Why tolerate?


    Most of you probably know I have an extreme dislike for Christianity (keep holdin' them horses ) but I must say (see ) we are descending into something far more dangerous than Christianity today in my eyes. We have descended into a state of a strange sort of "atheism". This form of atheism, I think, will only lead us into a thicker more dangerous neck of the woods. It sickens me to see people watering down Islam, watering down Judaism, watering down Christianity and watering down Heathenism to make it more "acceptable" and "loveable" by all. Extremists make the religion...not others.

    What do you think?

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    Post Re: Extreme Religious Tolerance Today

    I think you are absolutely spot on.
    The changes within my own religion (Catholicism) are so extreme that it barely resembles Catholicism any longer. Due to the number of Traditionalist orders and communities around today, I would say that many share my views.

    The Second Vatican Council changed the Mass to make it more acceptable to Protestants. It did this by stripping anything considered "too Catholic" from the rites. The result was something which resembles a Protestant service more than a Catholic Mass.
    The results have been falling attendences ever since, which is hardly suprising as people generally don't want to adhere to a lukewarm religion

    I'm not trying to offend Protestants, but what's the point of being a Catholic if it's more Protestant than Catholic now. I'm sure Protestants wouldn't be happy to see their Church's turning into clones of Catholicism.

    John Paul II now promotes a form of Religious Indifferentism (whereby, as long as people try to live good and moral lives, it doesn't matter what religion they practise.). This is corntary to all the central tenets of Catholicism and so like almost every other religion today, we're goaded into accepting Liberalism as our religion.

    I don't want to practise down a watered down version of my religion, nor do I think anyone else should. Watered down religions are for people with watered down faiths and beliefs (ie. Liberals and athiests).

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    Post Re: Extreme Religious Tolerance Today

    I think what was promoted as tolerance in the West particularly dring the 1960's was nothing more than a means to break our socieities down. The tolerance promoted served two purposes (1) to break down our Europeon cultures (2) to replace the broken down cultures with multi-culturalism.

    Strong cultures get in the way of the one world they hope to build. The licentiousness (ie abuse of freedom) promoted in the West has been quite effective in weakening the Western Socieity

    When the rad-libs (God forbid!) achieve their aim of total power...don't expect them to "tolerate" things such as the "counter-culture" of the 60's or Woodstock's unless they are pre-approved and pc. They know how they got in and aren't about to let someone pull the same trick upon them. The "pushing the envelope" tolerance promoted now will be a thing of the past. These folks (the multi-cultists) I think will prove to be far more control freakish than anything seen for a very long time.
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    Turman found a copy of The Graduate, and thought highly enough of the story that he made a movie he considered to be 90-percent faithful to the book.

    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

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    Post Re: Extreme Religious Tolerance Today

    Yes, I've no doubt about that, Gladstone.
    I've always said - "There's nothing as narrow-minded as a Liberal".
    They only tolerate those things which fit in with their own ideas, everything and everyone else are hounded and demonised.

    I've looked on a few sites which could be considered the Rad-Lib versions of Skadi. The difference is amazing. While Skadi has people of dissenting opinion as moderators, these sites automatically ban anyone who thinks differently from them. They will not even tolerate one dissenting voice.
    Such people who even courteously debate contrary to them are immediately denounced as a troll and unceremoniously banned.

    There's something uncomfortably Orwellian about thought-crimes

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    Post Re: Extreme Religious Tolerance Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    There's something uncomfortably Orwellian about thought-crimes
    Yeah. When I first heard that term "hate crime" I was amazed at the audacity. Sounds so close to..well.."thoughtcrime". It makes perfect sense the rad-libs would come up with stuff like that as the New Left of today are the direct political descendants of the 1930's and '40's Marxists Orwell was attempting to warn us about with 1984.

    I have even heard rad-libs defending out right lies by saying it "ought to be true, even though it's not actually true" when exposed. That phrase "ought to be true" is the exact wording Orwell heard the Reds of his day using and he described the implications, that is the disregard of truth, as "frightening". And too, one of the primary reasons Orwell sited for writing his books of warning; he valued truth more than what those of his own political persuasion might think (Orwell was socialist and had fought for the Marxist in Spain).

    According to many powerful forces in today's society two plus two does equal five.
    Turman found a copy of The Graduate, and thought highly enough of the story that he made a movie he considered to be 90-percent faithful to the book.

    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/graduate/

    http://www.norcalmovies.com/TheGraduate/tg11.jpg

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    Post Re: Extreme Religious Tolerance Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladstone
    Yeah. When I first heard that term "hate crime" I was amazed at the audacity. Sounds so close to..well.."thoughtcrime". It makes perfect sense the rad-libs would come up with stuff like that as the New Left of today are the direct political descendants of the 1930's and '40's Marxists Orwell was attempting to warn us about with 1984.

    I have even heard rad-libs defending out right lies by saying it "ought to be true, even though it's not actually true" when exposed. That phrase "ought to be true" is the exact wording Orwell heard the Reds of his day using and he described the implications, that is the disregard of truth, as "frightening". And too, one of the primary reasons Orwell sited for writing his books of warning; he valued truth more than what those of his own political persuasion might think (Orwell was socialist and had fought for the Marxist in Spain).

    According to many powerful forces in today's society two plus two does equal five.

    Well, Orwell gets minus points for fighting for the Reds in Spain , however he was right about them.

    Actually the phrase "Ought to be true..." reminds me of something I read recently. Some people in Italy were making a play based on the life of Mother Teresa which involved rappers and reggae music
    One of the people involved said something rather worrying - "Sometimes you need fiction to make a story more true"

    Figure that one out if you can

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    Post Re: Extreme Religious Tolerance Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    Well, Orwell gets minus points for fighting for the Reds in Spain
    LOL! Everyone makes a mistake now and again..

    Figure that one out if you can
    I don't think I want to! That is something I have pondered tho, that disregard for the value of truth by so many of the rad-libs. I think it's tied to that policy that they seemed to have adopted centuries ago, the end's justifies the means. Why let a little thing like truth get in the way when after all they are going to bring the world paradise, and they are fighting entirely evil folk, after all.

    If they already think it's okay to lie, cheat, murder, steal, etc, to further aims...not much of a jump to think truth is no biggie. I think the ends justifying the means is a very dangerous mindset, only to be used in the most life threatening of situations and for the shortest of duration; and even then best to use some other means to preserve life if at all possible.

    Having said that I have literally wondered if it is possible for the propensity to lie can be impressed upon someones genes after perhaps being in a family that has done so for generations (ie political familes). Some of the rad-libs (amongst others) I have talked to, it's like the word LIE! screams out from their very being.
    Turman found a copy of The Graduate, and thought highly enough of the story that he made a movie he considered to be 90-percent faithful to the book.

    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/graduate/

    http://www.norcalmovies.com/TheGraduate/tg11.jpg

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    The changes within my own religion (Catholicism) are so extreme that it barely resembles Catholicism any longer. Due to the number of Traditionalist orders and communities around today, I would say that many share my views.
    Definetly. There are many people in my family who are Roman Catholics and many of them are very traditional about it. Also, today when you say "I am catholic" everybody associates Catholicism with a very watered down form of christianity. But in the middle ages and such, when one heard about the Catholic church it was considered an extreme religion. Its followers were most definetly extreme...we can see that with the Crusades of course among other acts committed.

    The same thing has occurded in many form of Heathenism. Whether is be Odinism, Greco-Roman paganism or Druidism or whatnot. Now there are bunch of idiotic wiccans and "neopagans" claiming to be Heathens yet are completly for multiculturalism and such things. They change old traditions to fit their own view. They would have a person of African descent follow Asatru if they so felt like it. Which is of course ridiculous. It is a watered down version made "presentable" for society instead of following the beliefs and tranditions of our ancestors. Its sickening.

    The "pushing the envelope" tolerance promoted now will be a thing of the past. These folks (the multi-cultists) I think will prove to be far more control freakish than anything seen for a very long time.
    I've always said - "There's nothing as narrow-minded as a Liberal".
    I agree with both of you. The funny thing is, its not even the Liberal parties (by name) who are the most "liberal" in ideology. In reality I would MUCH prefer the "liberal" party of Canada than the Progressive Conservatives who are just out to make us all americans and who are idiotic beyond belief, and the New Democratic Party which is a leftist party who's following is mostly gay or coloured or poor. So basically..there is almost no party we can vote for without having this mutlticulti crap shoved down our throats. Now we have gaypride perades and gay marriages left right and centre (which others were for..and our "LIBERAL" Prime Minister was completely against but had to keep his mouth shut for fear of being turned into some "homophobic monster"). And of course as "good" citizens we must allow the muslims to trapes all over our land being disrespectful, not even learning the language, and overall just being rude yet call MY nation their own. We must not give Blacks responsibilities for their actions and must allow the Jews to make our laws. All because of the real liberal "non liberal" parties out there.

    There's something uncomfortably Orwellian about thought-crimes
    Read "We" by Yevgeni Zamyatin...its the best of all the anti-Utopian novels and was the inspiration for 1984 and Brave New World.

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    Post Re: Extreme Religious Tolerance Today

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanBlood

    The same thing has occurded in many form of Heathenism. Whether is be Odinism, Greco-Roman paganism or Druidism or whatnot. Now there are bunch of idiotic wiccans and "neopagans" claiming to be Heathens yet are completly for multiculturalism and such things. They change old traditions to fit their own view. They would have a person of African descent follow Asatru if they so felt like it. Which is of course ridiculous. It is a watered down version made "presentable" for society instead of following the beliefs and tranditions of our ancestors. Its sickening.


    Grrr...don't start me about f*ckin' Wiccans.
    What makes them so sickening to me is the way they dress up as Druids and try to pass themselves off as adherents of ancient Celtic religions.
    What a load of p*sh.
    If any of my ancestors were around to see these bunch of headcases today, they'd fall about laughing (or decapitate them as was their habit ). Nothing but aging hippies and druggies, I think most took too much acid in the 60's

    I once went onto a Wicca forum, and asked these so-called "Celts" if they had participated in a Tarbhfeis lately. They didn't know what it was!
    When I explained the bit about sleeping in the broth and bones of a slaughtered bull, before drinking it, the aghast reply came that they were all vegetarians!!! LOL!
    Celts my a*se!

    It really ticks me off though, because even though I'm not a pagan, I still respect the culture of my forebears. I don't want it associated with these kind of New Age retards.

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    Grrr...don't start me about f*ckin' Wiccans.
    What makes them so sickening to me is the way they dress up as Druids and try to pass themselves off as adherents of ancient Celtic religions.
    Heh, yep. It pisses me off as well. Now they seem to have "expanded" into blending Celtic, Nordic and....Egyptian ancient beliefs all into one big jumble of idiocy. I also hate how they don't seem to actually KNOW any other of the Celtic gods and goddesses other than the "great horned lord" and "great goddess". Errr what about Dawn? Bel? hello? Theirs is a classic case of "picking and choosing" the aspects they like of ancient beliefs and only practicing those. In reality they aren't "pagans" at all..hel I don't know what they are but they are most DEFINETLY a disgrace to Heathen beliefs. I won't even GET started on the multi-culti "Asatru" groups.

    When I explained the bit about sleeping in the broth and bones of a slaughtered bull, before drinking it, the aghast reply came that they were all vegetarians!!!
    lol! Oh yes, the classic vegetarian/vegan new agers. Its pathetic really. Of course we cannot harm the "lovey dovey fluffy animals"...which by doing this they dont' seem to realise that they are DEFYING nature AND the natural order of things. ESPECIALLY if they're Celtic (Celts having the largest number of type O blood in Europe) then it is quite unnatural for them to be vegetarians. They're pathetic.

    I don't want it associated with these kind of New Age retards.
    I'm definetly with you on that one.

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