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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    In the long run the English-American world has been a menace to Europe since Napoleonic times,
    The Germans, until 1945, always thought there was a great abyssal divide between England and America. And as we know today, the General Staff of the US army made a plan in 1933 for a war against Britain, in which Canada would have been a land theatre. This is what actually the German government had proposed to the US government in 1914: to side with Germany, and to take Canada as reward.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    and courting Albion was Hitler's greatest mistake.
    Hitler in this respect, as in almost all other respects, just truly represented the sentiments of (almost) all German people. If you had asked anyone of the German elite, they (almost) all would have approved of Hitler's courting England, even if they disagreed with Hitler's other policy, and even if they utterly despised him for coming up from the bottom. This policy was a mistake factually, in hindsight, but it was necessitated psychologically, at that time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    Or perhaps some people will blame it all on Jews).
    There was certainly a strong jewish hand in all that. Churchill for example, had a jewish mother, which means that according to jewish law, he was a full, not half jew. Also Vansittard was fully jewish, and Eden partly. But to blame it all on the jews, is wrong, right. One should rather see it as a single big misunderstanding, caused by lack of communication, and clumsily conducted negotiation. All the burning questions might well have been talked about, and settled upon, at the Munich conference in September 1938. But Chamberlain was so much upset about having 'lost his face' and being 'no longer considerable', that he ever since Munich was only thinking about taking revenge on Hitler. He literally ran away from Munich as early and as fast as he could. For a better understanding, more and longer talks, in a quieter and homelier atmosphere, had been needed.
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    Britain gained sea dominance in WW1 by dirty tricks, feigning distress signals to entrap heroic U-boat mariners hoping to save enemy civilians.
    The British sea dominance lay in the superior strength of the battle fleet. Had the German government not lost heart in the naval arms race, trying to appease the British by running the race with tightened brake, then the German fleet would have been numerically much stronger in 1914, and the Battle of Jutland would have been won. Thence, the whole U-boat war would not have been necessary.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    Hitler ought to have learned having served in that war.
    He did not serve at sea, and on land, he also served the whole war only on the western front. He never got a full, or half understanding of, say, the Mediterranean, or the Middle East, even the eastern front was alien, and remained abstract to him throughout the war, as he completely discarded climatic conditions, and underrated other obstacles there.

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    That would be a good what-if: America as an Axis state.

    In an alternate timeline first world war, started perhaps by the Dogger Bank incident, that could have happened. An early WW1 with the feel of WW2.

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    Churchill for example, had a jewish mother, which means that according to jewish law, he was a full, not half jew.
    I'm not sure of this one. I found no evidence of any Jewish ancestry in the pedigree chart of Churchill (https://famouskin.com/pedigree.php?n...rchill&ahnum=1).

    His mother Jennie Churchill (born Jerome) was an American, daughter of a French descent (Leonard Jerome) and of a British descent (Clarissa Hall). Leonard Jerome was a financier and stock speculator but it doesn't make him automatically a Jew.

    He was the son of Aurora Murray (herself from a Scottish paternal lineage) and Isaac Jerome, the latest being a descendant of Timothy Jerome, a French Huguenot immigrant who arrived in the New York Colony in 1717, probably fleeing the persecutions of French protestants in France.

    Clarissa Hall was the daughter of Ambrose Hall, Jr and Clarissa Hall (same surname), born Wilcox. Didn't find any evidence there either.

    You can check every single of his ancestor up to the 28th generation thanks to his "Ahnentafel" (ancestor table): https://famouskin.com/ahnentafel.php...ston+churchill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpensun View Post
    I'm not sure of this one. I found no evidence of any Jewish ancestry in the pedigree chart of Churchill
    I have lost access to all my 'collected' virtuell papers, so I can't give you any 'link' on that. Churchill, in all his voluminous books always talks long and broad and lengthy about his male bloodline, the Earl of Marboro etc. etc., but he almost never mentions his femal bloodline, why? Because he knows, that to us ('aryans') the male bloodline is more important, and is of highest interest. But -- and you must fully grasp this -- in jewish law, the male bloodline means nothing. It is only the mother who counts, and who makes a jew a jew. Churchill may have been related, on the father's side, with all the lords of England and Scotland together, and it might have traced back a thousand years. With just one single jewish female in the pedigree, all that is changed and must be reassessed.

    Churchill's utterly abnormal, psychopathic hatred for everything German, his literally physical aversion for it, how to explain this? His utter refuse to even have a single talk with a single (non-jewish) German, how to explain this?

    You can not rely on wikipedia for such things. I give you and example. There was a German communist leader, Heinz Neumann. By his name, fully a 'pure' unsuspicious German. Just his behavior seemed a little stange, excentric to me. I wanted to find a picture of him, but couldn't for a long time. Than I saw him on a wanted poster and was astonished, but still did not want to 'believe' it.

    Heinz Neumann lived illegally in Switzerland, for more than one year, and was imprisoned there, for several months. Because of this great feat, he is regarded as a 'Persönlichkeit der Schweizer Geschichte', thus got an entry in the 'Historisches Lexikon der Schweiz'. In that Lexicon's entry, only there and nowhere else, you find the remark 'isr.'

    To come back to Chrchill. The aversion this Neumann had against Hitler, and the fondness he had for Stalin, are the same as Churchill's, they both would excuse and exculpate everything Stalin did, no matter what, and they would demonize and revile everything Hitler did. How to explain this?

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    As for "Heinz Neumann", the simple search for "Heinz Neumann Jude" comes up with countless mentions of his Jewish ancestry. For example in the leftist Spiegel, many modern fact books and NS-German writings. There's also a picture of him on a pro-communist site.
    But even if we couldn't find any proof of his Jewishness, that wouldn't change much in regards to the actual people in question. Neumann was a minor member of the Reichstag and therefore would be almost entirely absent from Englisch language historiography and doesn't feature prominently in Germany historiography either.

    Vansittart, Eden and especially Churchill are an entirely different matter in terms of fame and "public interest".
    Vansittart was probably one of, if not the most, anti-German Brit that ever lived and looks admittedly odd but that doesn’t make him Jewish automatically. Neither any of the others.
    If any of these people were even remotely Jewish, be sure they would claim them as such, as they were the conquerors of our country.

    To sum it up:
    We shouldn't claim something for there is no proof or even any trace whatsoever readily at hand.
    It makes us look idiotic, tin-hat conspiratorial and could invalidate our true and fair arguments in the eyes of outsiders. Even of those that would actually be sympathetic to us.
    And the day they sold us out, Our hearts grew cold
    'Cause we were never asked, No brother, we were told!
    What do they know of Europe, Who only Europe know?



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    Churchill was no Jew. He was bought and paid for by them, however. Churchill owed his life and livelihood to Bernard Baruch. I discussed this in a thread here:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=145158

    Here is the podcast. The relevant passage is about 57 minutes in:

    http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/...man_022107.mp3

    You know, we really have to stuff a sock in our mouths about this "his great grandmother was a Jew" crap. A person does not have to be a Jew to be a party to Jewish schemes. I've studied Churchill. I read his autobiography My Early Life when I was in high school. He admits he was not a good student, and there is a lot of other evidence to suggest that he was not too bright, despite his skill at writing and oratory. He was, in fact, the perfect dupe for the Rothschilds and their operatives, of whom Baruch was paramount.

    Churchill was of the generation of Englishmen raised when Britain was at its peak of power. There were Englishmen then who were quite like American neocons are today, who were either perpetuating or being indoctrinated with propaganda against whatever great power might challenge their predominance. Germany had caught up to and surpassed Britain in its industrial might by the early 1900s, and it wasn't difficult to paint the Germans as a threat. Brits had in fact been masterfully preconditioned to see Germany as the enemy years before WWI broke out. Who do you suppose preconditioned them and to what end? Something everyone here should probably read is Dreadnought by Robert Massie. That paints a picture of the paranoia of the time. There is an episode in 1911 where a discussion comes up about how British cordite was left unguarded and there were many German expats working as waiters in London. In a panic, Churchill and others rushed down to secure the cordite from this imagined enemy. Of course, no such enemy existed. The real enemies were the owners of the banks and media who wished to bring about a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

    We should take note that the West is being sold a bill of goods about Russia being the enemy now... to what end?
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]Churchill was no Jew. He was bought and paid for by them, however. Churchill owed his life and livelihood to Bernard Baruch. I discussed this in a thread here:
    In his book "The Second World War" Churchill mentioned a certain 'Professor Lindemann', who is obscure and hardly mentioned elsewhere, but who was doing experimental work on how German cities could be burnt to the ground by air raids most effectivley. This Lindemann was a Jew. And even to communicate with such a disgusting individual betrays a very bad education, and a complete absence of decency, a lack of distance feeling. Churchill says that he was close friend with that Lindemann, and he met with him often, to keep update with his latest insights.

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    Frederick Lindemann was neither Jewish nor was he obscure. I even know him from a physics course.
    His parents
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    Lindemann was born in the Palatinate to a Roman Catholic family established in Alsace-Lorraine under the Comte de Lindemann, who had married into the Cyprien-Fabre shipping family.
    Lindemann married Olga Noble (1851 – c. 1927), herself heiress to a wealthy New London, Connecticut, engineering family of British origin. [...] Olga was a Protestant and insisted on the children being raised in the Anglican Church.
    Besides that:
    Some sources say that he was Jewish, but Frederick Smith's biography and David Irving's second book on Churchill declared that he was not. Sometimes thought to be anti-democratic, insensitive and elitist, Lindemann supported eugenics, held the working class, homosexuals and blacks in contempt and supported sterilisation of the mentally incompetent.
    Referring to Lindemann's lecture on Eugenics, Mukerjee concluded science could yield a race of humans blessed with 'the mental make-up of the worker bee'. At the lower end of the race and class spectrum, one could remove the ability to suffer or to feel ambition.
    Instead of subscribing to what he called 'the fetish of equality', Lindemann recommended that human differences should be accepted and indeed enhanced by means of science.
    It was no longer necessary, he wrote, to wait for 'the haphazard process of natural selection to ensure that the slow and heavy mind gravitates to the lowest form of activity.'
    Doesn't exactly sound like what Jews are accused of.

    He might have been one of the worst traitors of Germany, though. Even the British author Charles P. Snow said about him, that he was a "devious, power-hungry and sadistic loner, whose unparalleled influence upon Churchill blemishes the (British) nation even today". But then again he was a mixture of German, French and (British-)American anyway.
    In any case, even if he had been Jewish, that wouldn't make Churchill merely Jewish by mere "association".

    That kind of search honestly takes only about 30 seconds.

    Some more information in German.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    As for "Heinz Neumann", the simple search for "Heinz Neumann Jude" comes up with countless mentions of his Jewish ancestry.
    Well, it never came to my mind to search in this rude way. I am a well educated, decent person. I won't use such language on the internet.
    Also, this is forbidden under FRG law. I don not want federal agents rummage my home, you know.

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    I try not to never say "what if..."

    However, I must say that the title for this thread is a horrible title. The term Nazi is so very derogatory referring to Germany or National Socialism. It should say "What if National Socialist Germany had won World War II?"

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