The Burgundians

[Dunkeld]

There is one question nobody could answer me yet:

I wonder whether there are any traces in place names or family names in Burgundy that go back tu the Germanic Burgundians.

[Psychonaut]

I wonder whether there are any traces in place names or family names in Burgundy that go back tu the Germanic Burgundians.

Certainly. Many people in Switzerland and France who bear the Savoy surname are descended from the House of Savoy and are partly of Burgundian ancestry. Although the Savoys were originally Frankish, the mixed heavily with the Burgundians and Lombards. That's the only surname in my family that we're sure traces to the Burgundians. I have suspicions that there are others, but I'm not sure.

[Dunkeld]

Many people in Switzerland and France who bear the Savoy surname are descended from the House of Savoy and are partly of Burgundian ancestry.

Thank you for this Info!

My question would still be:

Is "Savoy" an old Burgundian word? And are there other traces of the Burgundian language in family names and place names?

[Psychonaut]

Is "Savoy" an old Burgundian word? And are there other traces of the Burgundian language in family names and place names?

According to this site:

In 380, the Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus (c. 330 - c. 400) coined the word Sabaudia, or Sapaudia, which is the origin of the name of Savoy. However, the meaning of the word Sabaudia and the exact limits of the region, as meant Ammianus, are unknown.

Looking at a list of the Kings of Burgundy, their names were very similar to the Old Frankish names that the Merovingians and Carolingians bore. I imagine that in the absence of a genealogy that goes back to a known Burgundian, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to determine whether a given name derives from Burgundian or Frankish. There are a great many French surnames that have Germanic roots, but when trying to distinguish between extinct languages like Frankish and Burgundian for which there are no written sources, it quickly becomes impossible to classify some names as anything more than Continental Germanic.

[asulf]

hi
i live near Savoy, or the savoyards are d burgonde origin as the mother of my childrens my (ex) wife she is a savoyarde (i'm divorced) of Scandinavian type, very marked there is an ethnic type
and lives a dialect a local idiom Perfectly inteligible for a Swiss, this regionale language(tongue), certainly arises from peoples alamans and burgondes a mix more than likely these peoples in questions having made origin(stump) in the region
J takes advantage of it in the passage to greet you my brothers and sisters Germanic, because if I lived in France or add us no more than 22 % of the French people in Germanic origin franks or alamans And not easy here d to assert his identity and its roots
But stemming from wild warriors I fight


i have a dream... in the sky, a city............Asgard

[Dunkeld]

The Burgundians make one think of the Nibelungen.

[Rodskarl Dubhgall]

According to this site:



Looking at a list of the Kings of Burgundy, their names were very similar to the Old Frankish names that the Merovingians and Carolingians bore. I imagine that in the absence of a genealogy that goes back to a known Burgundian, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to determine whether a given name derives from Burgundian or Frankish. There are a great many French surnames that have Germanic roots, but when trying to distinguish between extinct languages like Frankish and Burgundian for which there are no written sources, it quickly becomes impossible to classify some names as anything more than Continental Germanic.

Maybe that is anachronistic, because all names became part of a shared inheritance by the Carolingians, who passed on these still-divided holdings to the Ottonians and Burgundy remained an entity of its own, despite much of its identity being in name only, at least by the 20th century.